What Is Going Through The Heads Of These Savages?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30040257
Ok they'll do a couple of years in one of HMHCs but then they'll be out again. How can the law protect the public from those that are clearly mentally disturbed. There must be a way of getting these sorts off the streets.

[Gromit]

They are scummy.
But they have been put away.

[anotheoldgit]

Yes these are your true savages, horrible pieces of scum.

[hc4361]

VHG, are you saying they committed that crime because they are African?

By that logic I should be a paedophile because all of the men arrested under Operation Yewtree are white natives of the British Isles, with the exception of Rolf Harris whose ancestors emigrated from the British Isles.

[ummmm]

Wow...all those white rapists wrong imprisoned....

[sandyRoe]

Are they really Africans? Maybe they're as British as any of us.

[Prudie]

Wow VHG "You can take the person out of Africa, but you cant take Africa out the person" - have to say I'm stunned to read that, speechless in fact.

[mikey4444]

Yet again we see the race card played on AB. So apparently its only Africans that can commit these type of crimes !

What a very ignorant thing to post VHG...shame on you.

[bazwillrun]

"So apparently its only Africans that can commit these type of crimes ! "

errr thats not what he said....as usual you only read what you want to read

[bazwillrun]

and yes they are total scum....

[ludwig]

// They are scummy.
But they have been put away. //

That's what I said to the wife earlier when she asked where my underpants were.

[anotheoldgit]

Oh dear TTT, you have dared to go down that forbidden road, on which there is a sign, "don't condemn those who commit a crime or wrongdoing if that person or persons happens to be someone with a non white skin, unless of course you also include side by side a similar crime or wrongdoing committed by a white person".

You know equality makes sense, well at least in certain circumstances it would seem.

[andy-hughes]

What goes through their heads?

A mismatch of fear, hormones, peer pressure, and a gang structure with its own sets of rules.

Yound disenfranchised inner city teenagers make a huge deal of 'respect', which gives them kudos in their own mini-society.

To 'dis-respect' someone is a far more serious offence than would be in wider society, and retribution is often swift and brutal in order to maintain a place in the competitive pecking order.

The way to get 'these sorts' off te street is to educate them from pre-school age about the concepts of respect and interaction - by the time they are secondary school pupils, the damage is done and the rigid structures of gang mentality are already firmly in place.

Money in pre-school education would address this issue for future generations, but no government will ever invest in it.

[sandyRoe]

I suspect that most of the people who commit crimes like this live in an urban jungle that most ABers would know little about.
In their minds any slight, imagined or real, would need to be dealt with because it's a sad fact of life that if you're prepared to let others walk over you that's exactly what they'll do.

[jomifl]

It's just one of multiculturalism's many faces and they are not even muslim, isn't that amazing.

[ToraToraTora]

I must remember that AOG!

Andy, so they have a different meaning for "respect" then? Ie they want to have it but don't want to earn it. So it's like pretening to be rich but with no money hoping you can get some money by being nasty to anyone who does not acknowledge how "rich" you are! Fascinating.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - "Andy, so they have a different meaning for "respect" then? Ie they want to have it but don't want to earn it. So it's like pretening to be rich but with no money hoping you can get some money by being nasty to anyone who does not acknowledge how "rich" you are! Fascinating."

That's exactly it.

The 'respect' they need is not the concept of respect as understood by wider society, it is a level of fear and intimidation which uses the same word, without, as you say, any concept of being deserving of any kind of repsect.

Because gang culture is, by definition, rooted in deep insecurity and an inability to relate to others in any meaningful way, gang members must constantly assess and re-assess their status in the opinions of their peers, and any attempt to push an individual down the pecking order - real or simply perceived or misunderstood from the constantly clacking nonsense of social media, must be addressed with a response that is brutal as it is immediate.

It is an entirely alien existence, difficult for adults to comprehend, and the way to unlock its inisidious hold on young people is to educate them before they get to their teens, and move into this seriously horrible frightening isolating experience.

[mushroom25]

# White man turns the corner, finds himself within a different world
# Ghetto kid grabs his shoulder, throws him up against the wall
# He says "would you respect me if I didn't have this gun
# Cause without it, I don't get it, and that's why I carry one"
phil Collins - "both sides of the story"

[andy-hughes]

mushroom25 - "# White man turns the corner, finds himself within a different world
# Ghetto kid grabs his shoulder, throws him up against the wall
# He says "would you respect me if I didn't have this gun
# Cause without it, I don't get it, and that's why I carry one"
phil Collins - "both sides of the story"

Yet again a musician can sum up a complex situation in a few well-chosen words - that is the power of art.