Victorian Values ?

[Canary42]

"Lock up the loonies"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-30261980

Compassionate Conservatism at work. We're certainly paying dearly to maintain the Bankers' Bonuses.

[factor-fiction]

Sad story but could you explain what this has to do with banker's bonuses (and whether this includes counter staff who may earn a tiny bonus for exceeding targets?)

[factor-fiction]

Bankers' bonuses, sorry

[woofgang]

errrm both major parties have "encouraged" the closure of hospital beds.

[lindapalmara]

Canary. I second factor fiction. What on earth has it got to do with Bankers? Their bonuses are nothing to do with public money.

[lindapalmara]

As forVictorian values, they used to be locked up in Asylums in those days. Is that what you want to go back to?

[woofgang]

They still were in the seventies when i did my training :(

[ubasses]

If you want to be cynical, the bigger the bonuses the better, as tax is paid on PAYE, if the profits stayed with the Bank you can bet they would find a way to reduce their tax liability.
Factor is correct about the bonuses at branch level, my biggest bonus as a Branch Manager when I was working was £5000 and that year my Branch blew the targets out of the water, and that was without mis-selling because being 'old school' I would not condone it.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1076679/Now-bodies-dead-buried-effects-credit-crunch-spread-Britain.html

Was all this down to the Tories and the Banker's bonuses also?

[janbee]

Victoria values... do you mean putting children up chimneys?

[lindapalmara]

AOG. Yes, I remember the Winter of Discontent. It was a shambles caused by Labour and we may have the same if Labour got any power by default next year. They are after all in the pockets of the Unions!

[sandyRoe]

Is care in the community( a cardboard box in a shop doorway for some) all that it's cracked up to be?

[mushroom25]

do banker's bonuses come out of taxation then?

[Peter Pedant]

// I suppose if the earth was about to get struck by a huge meteorite and we were all going to perish you would say it's the Conservatives fault.//

hypothetical

but the reality is that it is virtually impossible to get a secure acute psychiatric bed. Esquirel in 1850 observed that it you emptied the psych hospitals ( then called lunatic asyla ) you filled the prisons -

and if you dont learn the lessons of history you are condemned to repeat them

that is cause-and-effect and is irrelevant to bankers bonuses and meteors striking the earth

Sorry to inject some r eality into this but I have a mad neighbour ( OK if he takes his meds )

[Peter Pedant]

// As for Victorian values, they used to be locked up in Asylums in those days. Is that what you want to go back to? //

the mortality was lower..... so clarly there was something going for them

They were replaced with 'care in the community' otherwise known as
'lack of care in the community'

Another neighbour was so depressed he couldnt get himself to the psych outpatients so they 'deemed' he was better and automatically discharged him ! It is chaos out there, honestly

[EDDIE51]

The story is that due to cost cuts there are no places in temporary care homes to place such children. The 'credit crunch ' is blamed which is alleged to have been caused by greedy banks.
Virtually all mental hospitals have been closed in favour of 'care in the community'. The result is that more and more mentally ill people end up in prisons , which are also overcrowded, and so it goes on!

[wolf63]

I agree with the others.

**PP "Sorry to inject some reality into this but I have a mad neighbour ( OK if he takes his meds )" I am that neighbour, but I am a girl.

not all mentally ill people are dangerous and hospitals are not necessarily the answer to the problem.

I would normally ramble on about this subject - but my meds have made me groggy and I am having a brain shutdown.

[anotheoldgit]

Peter Pedant

/// Sorry to inject some r eality into this but I have a mad neighbour ( OK if he takes his meds ///

/// Another neighbour was so depressed he couldnt get himself to the psych outpatients so they 'deemed' he was better and automatically discharged him ! It is chaos out there, honestly ///

Couldn't have anything to do with living next to you could it? :0)

[wolf63]

AOG - go sit on the naughty step. :-)

[anotheoldgit]

"Lock up the loonies"

"but I have a mad neighbour"

"Loonies", "Mad"

All expressions by some to describe those who are unfortunate enough to suffer from mental illness.

Had they been put by certain others, there would have been numerous posts of indignation aimed at them.