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I Don't Want This Man To Die

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hc4361 | 11:39 Sun 04th Jan 2015 | News
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I don't know if this has already been discussed here but I think a murderer and rapist sentenced to life imprisonment should not be allowed the right to die. He should have to live with himself for the rest of his natural life and not take the easy route to escaping justice.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/belgian-serial-rapist-murderer-frank-van-den-bleeken-be-euthanised-january-1481742
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That's a bit insular, AOG.......not even worth discussing just in case?
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AOG, it doesn't mean we can't discuss the matter. Organisations are fighting for a change in the UK law to make euthanasia legal so this same situation could occur here.
In the meantime, British citizens are choosing to go abroad to end their life.

We may be an island (islands to be correct) but that doesn't mean we should ignore what goes on in other countries.
anotheoldgit
Not in our country, so no business of ours.




lol, you won't be starting any threads that are based on a story from over seas in future then AOG?
hc4361...well said !
Yes AOG, so no more Dutch blacking-up stories / deployment of troops in France!
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This story is relevant to the UK because as members of the EU we have the right to seek treatment not available in the UK from another member country. You and I could travel to Belgium to be euthanised, if we satisfied the criteria.
Could a UK prisoner demand the same right?
sounds like a win-win situation. Insisting that he lives to the natural end of his lifespan these days may mean having costly operations or medicines to treat illness, for instance, and I can't think of any rational explanation why I should have to provide them.

If he wishes to inflict a more severe pnishment on himself than the state has (and I do think death is more severe than life in jail; think which you would prefer) then he should be allowed to.
Whoops, AOG has dared to voice an opinion again.
jno, I disagree, he would be effectively bringing an end to his punishment. If I was in his shoes I would want the same! no suffering in death, have it over and done with.
hc4361

/// You and I could travel to Belgium to be euthanised, if we satisfied the criteria. ///

Then why do some travel to Switzerland?
AOG...I am not entirely sure what the criteria is for euthanasia in that infamous Clinic in Zurich. But I don't expect that you can just turn up, with a wodge of Swiss Francs and a sob story, and be allowed to commit suicide.

But I might be wrong, of course !
Whoops, AOG has dared to voice an opinion again.
You forgot the word hypocritical.
that's fine by me, Ratter, if it's his choice. I don't want the state killing people; but I do think people should be able make their own choice to end whatever situation they're in, however it was caused.
AOG....why do you get hissy when your opinion is commented on?

Hc has indicated that this could concern us in the future....that alone makes it worth discussing now.

Where you're coming from must influence feeling on this.

Some will want to know their rapist/sexual attacker is dead.....there is a comfort in knowing he is no more....but there are some like me.......

When I was told mine had a nasty, painful and degrading illness I wanted it to go on for as long as possible...
When he died I had mixed feelings.....he was gone....but he wasn't suffering any more....and the cruel part of me liked to know he was suffering.
He seems to think that if released he will be unable to control his urges. As they can't keep him in prison forever it is probably best that he has chosen to die.
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Mikey, this is the criteria for Dignitas:
Prerequisites for the preparation of an accompanied suicide

In order to access the service of an accompanied suicide, someone has to:

be a member of DIGNITAS, and
be of sound judgement, and
possess a minimum level of physical mobility (sufficient to self-administer the drug).

Because the co-operation of a Swiss medical doctor (physician) is absolutely vital in obtaining the required drug, further prerequisites mean that the person must have:


a disease which will lead to death (terminal illness), and/or
an unendurable incapacitating disability, and/or
unbearable and uncontrollable pain.

I believe it costs around £8000.
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Why can't they keep him in prison forever? They can if he is still a threat to society
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AOG, this report is from 2009:

"He revealed that five foreigners "in great suffering" had already come to Belgium to die, taking advantage of EU rules allowing patients to seek care in another member state if it was unavailable at home."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7322520.stm
HC...(13:49)...I am indebted to you for this info. I suspected that Dignitas
would be run on these lines.
mikey4444

/// AOG...I am not entirely sure what the criteria is for euthanasia in that infamous Clinic in Zurich. But I don't expect that you can just turn up, with a wodge of Swiss Francs and a sob story, and be allowed to commit
suicide. ///

Why do you choose to describe it as "infamous" surely it is Famous Clinic which allows those who are unfortunate enough to have a terminal and painful illness, to depart this world peacefully.

If you say it is not easy to enter this Clinic in Zurich, why don't they all go to Belgium, after all it's much nearer?

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