Is Multi-Cultism Partly To Blame?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/charlie-hebdo-nick-clegg-dismayed-at-nigel-farage-blaming-gross-policy-of-multiculturalism-9964810.html

Yes it may be called political point scoring but aren't all politicians guilty of that?

One has to admit Nigel has a point, since multi-cultism we are slowly losing our well known British humour, one has to so careful these days not to upset or offend members of our ethnic minorities.

[tommy39]

retrocop i agree with all that you say . they can have their heads in the sand , or up their arses , i am watching and takink notes, farage speaks the truth

[anotheoldgit]

jim360

/// and indeed at times in our history there has been even greater violence. And the 2011 riots, for example, had nothing to do with multiculturalism. ///

All depends how far you are willing to go back into our history, burning witches, public hangings etc, yes these took place in our distance past, but we have moved on, whereas some have not.

And how do you come to the conclusion that the 2011 riots had nothing to do with multiculturalism, wasn't this all started off by the black community of Tottenham?

[jim360]

I think it's a given that regardless of any initial source, it soon descended into pure opportunism as people just took whatever they could get their hands on. The catalyst may well have been the shooting of Mark Duggan but all that did was provide opportunist thieves, and those who should have known better, an excuse to run riot.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1403336/Now-Guardian-is-accused-of-racial-intolerance.html

/// In 2002, English journalist Julie Burchill narrowly escaped prosecution for incitement to racial hatred, following a column in The Guardian where she described Ireland as being synonymous with "child molestation, Nazi-sympathising, and the oppression of women. ///

Wikipedia

[dunnitall]

When ever have different tribes got on in this world? Multiculturalism IMO will never work, different backgrounds, culture, speech, thoughts, ideals etc etc, there is nothing to bridge the gaps and when 'forced' to live hand in glove with other cultures et al, then the problems start. Sometimes it's difficult for same 'tribe members' to get along let alone with members outside of their own....'twas never meant to work I'm afraid except perhaps on nodding terms with much land in between the residences!

[jim360]

It's actually happened quite often, and while the history of the world is full of bloody episodes with a root cause of tribalism, given enough time the desire to survive triumphs over the desire to hurt people who are different. The problem is that it's a rough ride to get there and requires the patience of generations.

Multiculturalism is, anyway, here to stay. We may as well try to make it work.

[TWR]

Why the *** should we, why should we change the things we do, things we say, If the people who it offends do not like it, there's always a plane out. are we going to change Blackpool / Blackboard / just to please, Except it, This is the UK.

[ummmm]

TWR...Now you're just being daft.

[Svejk]

Even enlightened Labour party members admit multi-culti was a failed experiment.
Sure, you 'rubbed the right's noses in it' and imported millions of Labour voters but any realistic person would admit, in the light of current and likely future trouble, it wasn't worth it.
Oh, and they didn't ask anyone's permission or advertise the experiment. What they did was introduce the ridiculous notion of PC in order to stifle debate about the disgraceful experiment. I honestly believe we'll see some of those MPs in court one day, to answer for their crimes against the British people.

[jim360]

Wasn't really an experiment at all. Experiments are controlled. This wasn't.

[dunnitall]

Jim, if something doesn't work why keep on with it? Why should any country be subjected to living with other peoples just because they want to come to your country and that includes Brits going elsewhere too. No indigenous people should have to give up things to accommodate other tribes where they be. The rpoblem so it brings far outweighs any good IMO which is seen many times the world over. We here have enough to deal with on this small island, why accommodate and house others when we don't have the land, the services and will never be able to help the increasing population that an island cannot sustain. It's tough enough living with and getting on with our own 'tribe' let alone adding others to the mix.

[dunnitall]

Well said Svejk, I totally agree.

[Svejk]

That's the rub, jim. There's been plenty of experiments conducted by people who didn't know what they were doing and ergo had no control.
Perhaps you meant 'ideally experiments are controlled'.

[TWR]

Do you think Ummmm? I believe a Blackboard that I used to use at school can not now be called a Blackboard!!

[ichkeria]

No, he doesn't even have a semi-point :-)

What Mr Farage likes to do is bark sound bites, probably safe in the knowledge that no one will take him up on them, And "multi-culturalism" is one of the great bogey buzz terms like "paedophilia" or "metropolitan elite" that get people going. I'd like to hear him questioned more closely on his comments, at which point I suspect it would all fall apart.
France is "multicultural" because of its imperial past, a bit like the UK.
So at best he's blaming history, adapted for his own ends. Just as Mr Clegg says.

[ichkeria]

"I believe a Blackboard that I used to use at school can not now be called a Blackboard!! "

They are whiteboards now I think you will find. The wretched BNP have been meddling with our education again ...

[ummmm]

When you believe wrongly. If that was the case you wouldn't be able to buy blackboard paint.

[jim360]

"The [problems] it brings far outweighs any good IMO which is seen many times the world over."

There's the rub, though, in hat we have a difference of opinion. I suppose it inevitably will be influenced by life circumstances, but in my daily life I spend time with a Belgian, a Swiss, an Iranian, an Israeli (yes, really!), an Italian, a German, an Indian, a Swedish/ US joint national, and a Mexican (among others). I share my flat with a Russian and another Mexican, as well as someone from London. We all get along brilliantly, and the mix of cultures and skills has enriching potential. That allows me to see the benefits of multiculturalism (and, yes, possibly obscures some of the problems).

I'd rather see that kept going, and while there may be problems that go with it they are not insurmountable. In the short term, as we have seen recently, things can get messy. But, really, this is an indirect consequence of multiculturalism. There will always be people willing and able to commit horrific acts of atrocity.

[jim360]

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Svejk, I suppose you have a point there. What I'm arguing is that multiculturalism was something that just happened, rather than that it was deliberate. At the very least, the scale and pace weren't within anyone's control.

[Svejk]

It was very, very deliberate, jim.