Are You One Of The Good People Of Britain That This Person Is Referring To?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2918016/Transgender-American-woman-afford-gender-reassignment-surgery-coming-UK-FREE-operation.html

/// She said: 'I know the good people of Britain won't mind funding my dream' ///

[Answerprancer]

"...referring to this woman as "he", which is just disrespectful. She's a she, after all!"
That is an example of the dogmatic opinionated bigotry I mentioned earlier.
It's the way one or two individuals make a bolshy display of the fact that they clearly disapprove of, or don't accept trans-sexualism.

[retrocop]

jim360
The person was born a male. This person is trying to "bend" the law of genetics. HIS DNA and chromosomes will always be MALE no matter what you cut off and surgically reconstruct ergo HE is a HE and not a SHE . A rat born in a stable is not a horse!! This person is trying to bend the law of genetics to become someone of another gender. "Gender bending"

[retrocop]

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sorry jim360,
My last post was addressed to AP not you.

[Answerprancer]

I thought 'gender bending' was more to do with presenting oneself in an androgynous way for fashion purposes as opposed to transvestism or transexuality.

[jim360]

It amounts to the same thing, retrocop, in that you're sadly mistaken about how gender is understood. She is a she, and not a gender-bender. There is a massive, massive difference, and in mixing the two up you are doing transgender people and "gender-benders" a massive disservice.

[Answerprancer]

Erm, I'm confused - which one was that? DB

[Answerprancer]

Ok ..sorry - going cross eyed! Disregard my last post.

[Retrochic]

Sorry but this man is not a woman - he still has his male genitalia so it can't be disrespectful to call him 'him'. You castrate a male horse you still call him 'him' not 'her'. He can wear as much makeup as he likes and wear a nice frock but as much as he doesn't want to be he's still a man . Its like that bearded 'conchita that won the song contest wearing full makeup and a sparkly gown 'oh isn't 'she' lovely -no 'she' is a 'he' and its fact, not disrespectful.

[Answerprancer]

Continuation:
I doubt very much if the person in question intends to breed so chromosomes don't really come into it do they? So I take it you don't accept/approve of trans-sexuality then.

[Answerprancer]

How you two can compare a human with a horse/rat etc is beyond me! The human mind is what sets us aside from other animals, we have (well most of us do) compassion, complex psychological processes, huge intelligence and unique sexuality hence attributes like trans-sexuality.

[jim360]

It is disrespectful, because, after all, she is presenting as a woman. And comparisons with horses are rather low. In the meantime, Conchita Wurst is a slightly different case. She's a performance artist and not a transgender person, still on occasion living and presenting as her male self. I appreciate that the pronouns can get messy but it is about respect and you really, really ought to refer to this woman as she. At the very least, if you ever met her I'd hope you'd refer to her as her. Here, where she might not see the conversation, it matters a bit less perhaps but then there may well be other transpeople reading, so it does well to show some respect. In this case, that means honouring their wish to be called a woman if that is how they present.

[Retrochic]

Just because I call a spade a spade does not mean I don't approve of it or feel it has a rightful place in the tool shed. Just because some male feels they are female does not mean I feel obligated to go along with them -they can do what they like its a free country they don't need mine or anyone else s 'approval'

[-Talbot-]

I thought 'gender bending' was more to do with presenting oneself in an androgynous way for fashion purposes as opposed to transvestism or transexuality.


That's exactly what I think a gender bender is..eg. Bowie.

[Retrochic]

Jim -if I ever met him I would refer to him by his name, not his gender.

[Retrochic]

'gender bender :
a gender bender is a person who actively rebels against, or "bends," expected gender roles. Gender bending is sometimes a form of social activism undertaken in response to assumptions or over-generalizations about genders.

[retrocop]

sorry jim360 and AP
I am not comparing a human to a rat or a horse.you are rather sad and misinformed that they are sayings that represent the fact that you are genetically what you are and nothing will change that not even an artificial attempt.Similar to the saying " You can't polish a turd" That is not disrespect. That is FACT

[jim360]

It's an unfortunate choice of metaphor, then. Especially the last one. But regardless, the point is that there is more to gender in society than what hangs between your legs, or doesn't. And constantly ignoring this is a mistake.

[DaisyNonna]

No.

[Answerprancer]

Well said Jim - I couldn't have said it better.