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What Do You Think About Britain First?
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Britain First's stated aim is to protect "British and Christian morality", and is "committed to preserving our ancestral ethnic and cultural heritage" while it also "supports the maintenance of the indigenous British people as the demographic majority within our own homeland", that "Genuine British citizens will be put first in housing, jobs, education, welfare and health".[4]
It also campaigns against Islam, immigration and abortion.[54] Its claimed objective is "to save this country and our people from the EU, politically correct, multicultural insanity that is now engulfing us".[17]
Britain First's stated aim is to protect "British and Christian morality", and is "committed to preserving our ancestral ethnic and cultural heritage" while it also "supports the maintenance of the indigenous British people as the demographic majority within our own homeland", that "Genuine British citizens will be put first in housing, jobs, education, welfare and health".[4]
It also campaigns against Islam, immigration and abortion.[54] Its claimed objective is "to save this country and our people from the EU, politically correct, multicultural insanity that is now engulfing us".[17]
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I have no time for organisation
13:02 Thu 22nd Jan 2015
I assume that the bit about 'Christian morality' is simply a way of saying "We hate Muslims". I can't see many members of Britain First being regular churchgoers!
Perhaps I'm wrong though. They might all be lay preachers, quoting Mark 12:31 to the congregation: "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself".
Er, perhaps not ;-)
Perhaps I'm wrong though. They might all be lay preachers, quoting Mark 12:31 to the congregation: "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself".
Er, perhaps not ;-)
Of course, Britain First would naturally want to see people like Winston Churchill revered. After all, he would never have wanted to see Britain become part of a single, larger country would he? The very idea of an announcement by him such as this one would have been preposterous, wouldn't it?:
[i]"The two governments declare that France and Great Britain shall no longer be two nations, but one Franco-British Union… Every citizen of France will enjoy immediately citizenship of Great Britain; every British subject will become a citizen of France"[i].
Oh, hang on a moment though, Churchill DID make that statement (in June 1940). Further, he wrote this in October 1942:
"I look forward to a United States of Europe, in which the barriers between the nations will be greatly minimised and unrestricted travel will be possible".
I look forward to seeing Britain First promoting such firmly British ideas ;-)
[i]"The two governments declare that France and Great Britain shall no longer be two nations, but one Franco-British Union… Every citizen of France will enjoy immediately citizenship of Great Britain; every British subject will become a citizen of France"[i].
Oh, hang on a moment though, Churchill DID make that statement (in June 1940). Further, he wrote this in October 1942:
"I look forward to a United States of Europe, in which the barriers between the nations will be greatly minimised and unrestricted travel will be possible".
I look forward to seeing Britain First promoting such firmly British ideas ;-)
I have no time for organisations such as "Britain First" but a couple of remarks are worth a response:
"...preying on our fears that the country has been irreversibly changed."
They are not fears, jd. It is a fact. Anyone who believes thatthe UK has not been irreversibly changed in the last two or three decades is living in a different UK to the one I inhabit.
"I look forward to a United States of Europe, in which the barriers between the nations will be greatly minimised and unrestricted travel will be possible".
Most people in the UK looked forward to that, Chris, when we joined the "Common Market" in 1972 and when they voted to remain in it in 1975. There are a few things they may not have looked forward to though. Among many, many things they may not have envisaged:
- Having their laws prescribed in Brussels.
- Being told that they must accept their "fair share" of people landing in continental Europe illegally.
- Discovering that people can travel to the UK from Europe and immediately be eligible for the full range of taxpayer funded facilities, services and benefits for which they had not contributed a penny.
I doubt Mr Churchill had that in mind either but we'll never know.
"...preying on our fears that the country has been irreversibly changed."
They are not fears, jd. It is a fact. Anyone who believes thatthe UK has not been irreversibly changed in the last two or three decades is living in a different UK to the one I inhabit.
"I look forward to a United States of Europe, in which the barriers between the nations will be greatly minimised and unrestricted travel will be possible".
Most people in the UK looked forward to that, Chris, when we joined the "Common Market" in 1972 and when they voted to remain in it in 1975. There are a few things they may not have looked forward to though. Among many, many things they may not have envisaged:
- Having their laws prescribed in Brussels.
- Being told that they must accept their "fair share" of people landing in continental Europe illegally.
- Discovering that people can travel to the UK from Europe and immediately be eligible for the full range of taxpayer funded facilities, services and benefits for which they had not contributed a penny.
I doubt Mr Churchill had that in mind either but we'll never know.
And of course if we’re speaking about Mr Churchill’s attitude to race we have to be a bit selective unless we want the full range of his views:
In 1937, he told the Palestine Royal Commission: "I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
Following the Indian Famine of 1943 he managed to secure huge supplies of Australian grain for Europe, but deliberately by-passed the starving Indians. He went so far as to suggest the famine was partly their fault as they “breed like rabbits”.
Of Mahatma Ghandi’s threatened hunger strike in pursuance of his dream of an independent India he said "Gandhi should not be released on the account of a mere threat of fasting," Churchill told the cabinet on another occasion. "We should be rid of a bad man and an enemy of the Empire if he died."
He had strong views on Islam, too: "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia [rabies] in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
"Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live."
So when he spoke of a “United States of Europe” we need to understand that the world (and public attitudes) was a very different place during his lifetime and his dreams may not quite be what we imagine today.
In 1937, he told the Palestine Royal Commission: "I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
Following the Indian Famine of 1943 he managed to secure huge supplies of Australian grain for Europe, but deliberately by-passed the starving Indians. He went so far as to suggest the famine was partly their fault as they “breed like rabbits”.
Of Mahatma Ghandi’s threatened hunger strike in pursuance of his dream of an independent India he said "Gandhi should not be released on the account of a mere threat of fasting," Churchill told the cabinet on another occasion. "We should be rid of a bad man and an enemy of the Empire if he died."
He had strong views on Islam, too: "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia [rabies] in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
"Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live."
So when he spoke of a “United States of Europe” we need to understand that the world (and public attitudes) was a very different place during his lifetime and his dreams may not quite be what we imagine today.
Faced with "having our laws in Brussels" and having our laws from the Reichstag I know which I would prefer, pace the daft and tasteless comments about the EU being like Nazi Germany etc etc.
Easy to get complacent these days. In Mr Churchill's time that might indeed have been an attractive option.
Not sure the complacency is so appropriate either, with, as we speak, war raging between Europe's two largest countries.
Easy to get complacent these days. In Mr Churchill's time that might indeed have been an attractive option.
Not sure the complacency is so appropriate either, with, as we speak, war raging between Europe's two largest countries.
Daffy6543....just seen your post ! Well done for taking such a brave stand !
I recall being at a wedding about 15 years ago, where I was talking to one of the Uncles of the Groom. I only knew him a little bit, as the uncle of my old schoolfriend. But he astounded me later in the afternoon by declaring that he intending voting BNP, "because we have far too many W**s in Britain these days ! He wasn't terribly drunk but he wasn't sober either, if you know what I mean. I was so surprised that anyone would actually admit to such a thing, that I tipped the best part of a pint of Strongbow over his feet !
It was entirely an accident but I am not sure he believed me !
I recall being at a wedding about 15 years ago, where I was talking to one of the Uncles of the Groom. I only knew him a little bit, as the uncle of my old schoolfriend. But he astounded me later in the afternoon by declaring that he intending voting BNP, "because we have far too many W**s in Britain these days ! He wasn't terribly drunk but he wasn't sober either, if you know what I mean. I was so surprised that anyone would actually admit to such a thing, that I tipped the best part of a pint of Strongbow over his feet !
It was entirely an accident but I am not sure he believed me !
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