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Forget, The Price Of Beer Or The Smoking Ban, The Reason For The Closure Of Many British Pubs Is Because Many Of Our Immigrants Are Tee-Total.
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Andy-hughes, //they did not feature in pubs when they were all open, they don't feature now that they are closing.//
You’re missing the point entirely. Muslims have never featured in pubs, but because of an enormous change in demographics rendering some areas predominately Muslim, the pubs in those areas have gone into decline. In short, there are now no customers.
You’re missing the point entirely. Muslims have never featured in pubs, but because of an enormous change in demographics rendering some areas predominately Muslim, the pubs in those areas have gone into decline. In short, there are now no customers.
-Talbot-
/// Although programs like Britains got talent and X-Factor are another big reason why the lads are not going out any more on a Saturday night. ///
I have never met a lad who would rather stop in on a Saturday night and watch these two abysmal programmes than go for a drink.
But funny enough in my younger days it was the older person who frequented the pubs, and the pub facilities were designed around those of advanced years.
So on the few occasions that a teenager chose to go to the pub they had to endure listening to the locals singing around the piano,or join in with a game of dominoes or cribbage.
/// Although programs like Britains got talent and X-Factor are another big reason why the lads are not going out any more on a Saturday night. ///
I have never met a lad who would rather stop in on a Saturday night and watch these two abysmal programmes than go for a drink.
But funny enough in my younger days it was the older person who frequented the pubs, and the pub facilities were designed around those of advanced years.
So on the few occasions that a teenager chose to go to the pub they had to endure listening to the locals singing around the piano,or join in with a game of dominoes or cribbage.
Zacs-Master - "//Exit the cosy local pub, enter 'vertical' bars where most of the seating has been removed because analysis shows that people drink more if they stand up. Add the ear-shattering music, and the notion of socialising has gone.//
You've simply described a nightclub here rather than a pub."
I disagree. When I was in my teens and twenties, pubs were cosy locals, and nightclubs were for dancing, and a late drink, with masses of seating and dance floors.
Pubs - at least modern pubs in town centres, are vertical bars as I have described - they stay open until the early hours, and have similarly led to the death of the discoteque / nightclub venues which always charged admission as part of their licensing arrangements, and that wall all year, not just the high days and holidays when town centre pubs charge admissions.
"Pubs include 'vertical drinking areas' usually accompanied by a TV but seating has not been stripped out wholsale as you suggest."
If you check out any of the popular town centre bars populated by under-twenty-fives, you will find they are as I have described.
"//....and that spells the death of any pub that does not provide cheap food//
Utterly incorrect. Up market (gastro pubs, if you like) are on the increase and many have michelin stars."
That is not the market and genre of pub I am discussing - by the same token, ethnic restaurants are increasing, and food standards as a whole have increased as more people eat out.
The standard 'local' pub cannot complete on alcohol sales alone, so they have had to opt for the standard 'pub food' market, which many pubs have opted for - they are entirely separate from gourmet pubs which in many cases have taken over a 'local' and then totally revamped it to attract diners, rather than the drinkers of old.
You've simply described a nightclub here rather than a pub."
I disagree. When I was in my teens and twenties, pubs were cosy locals, and nightclubs were for dancing, and a late drink, with masses of seating and dance floors.
Pubs - at least modern pubs in town centres, are vertical bars as I have described - they stay open until the early hours, and have similarly led to the death of the discoteque / nightclub venues which always charged admission as part of their licensing arrangements, and that wall all year, not just the high days and holidays when town centre pubs charge admissions.
"Pubs include 'vertical drinking areas' usually accompanied by a TV but seating has not been stripped out wholsale as you suggest."
If you check out any of the popular town centre bars populated by under-twenty-fives, you will find they are as I have described.
"//....and that spells the death of any pub that does not provide cheap food//
Utterly incorrect. Up market (gastro pubs, if you like) are on the increase and many have michelin stars."
That is not the market and genre of pub I am discussing - by the same token, ethnic restaurants are increasing, and food standards as a whole have increased as more people eat out.
The standard 'local' pub cannot complete on alcohol sales alone, so they have had to opt for the standard 'pub food' market, which many pubs have opted for - they are entirely separate from gourmet pubs which in many cases have taken over a 'local' and then totally revamped it to attract diners, rather than the drinkers of old.
zoe76
/// So which is your opinion aog -much easier than writing your full alias and thank to everyone I saw writing that way ///
A perfectly accepted way of tying it, much better than some who once typed 'old git' 'git' etc.
/// - Is it because of the muslims as per your OP or because our younger generation moved away from the local pubs because of the piano and cribbage etc ///
I did not suggest that it was because of the Muslims, I was merely pointing out what Stephen Williams, the Liberal Democrat communities minister, told the House of Commons.
Neither did I say it was because our younger generation moved away from the local pubs because of the piano and cribbage, I was just pointing out that pubs in my younger days, were designed around the more mature drinker rather than young drinkers.
/// So which is your opinion aog -much easier than writing your full alias and thank to everyone I saw writing that way ///
A perfectly accepted way of tying it, much better than some who once typed 'old git' 'git' etc.
/// - Is it because of the muslims as per your OP or because our younger generation moved away from the local pubs because of the piano and cribbage etc ///
I did not suggest that it was because of the Muslims, I was merely pointing out what Stephen Williams, the Liberal Democrat communities minister, told the House of Commons.
Neither did I say it was because our younger generation moved away from the local pubs because of the piano and cribbage, I was just pointing out that pubs in my younger days, were designed around the more mature drinker rather than young drinkers.
Talbot - "Ah right, I'm just surprised that you could type all that about drinking, andy."
Why? I have read Dracula - it doesn't make me a vampire!
It is possible to experience aspects of life without engaging in everything about them - I can jig around in a disco, doesn't make me Michael Flatley!
"Like Zac, I don't agree with what you have posted, you surely must be relying on second hand information?"
Again - why?
Just because I don't drink doesn't make a member of the Temperence Society who never sets foot in a bar or pub - I do go into pubs and bars, and I do look around at what I see.
I worked in nightclubs and socialised in pubs forty years ago - I have seen the changes first hand - I don't use 'second-hand information', unless I have no experience of the issue, and am simply offering an opinion, in which case I qualify that in my post.
No need to here - I speak from direct experience and observation.
Why? I have read Dracula - it doesn't make me a vampire!
It is possible to experience aspects of life without engaging in everything about them - I can jig around in a disco, doesn't make me Michael Flatley!
"Like Zac, I don't agree with what you have posted, you surely must be relying on second hand information?"
Again - why?
Just because I don't drink doesn't make a member of the Temperence Society who never sets foot in a bar or pub - I do go into pubs and bars, and I do look around at what I see.
I worked in nightclubs and socialised in pubs forty years ago - I have seen the changes first hand - I don't use 'second-hand information', unless I have no experience of the issue, and am simply offering an opinion, in which case I qualify that in my post.
No need to here - I speak from direct experience and observation.
Andy, tI cannot think of any town centre pubs where seating has been entirely stripped out. Unless there were multiple fire exists, this would simply not be possible.
//That is not the market and genre of pub I am discussing//
I'm sorry, I though this was a discussion about all puns. You certainly didn't make the distinction.
//That is not the market and genre of pub I am discussing//
I'm sorry, I though this was a discussion about all puns. You certainly didn't make the distinction.
Zacs - "Andy, tI cannot think of any town centre pubs where seating has been entirely stripped out. Unless there were multiple fire exists, this would simply not be possible."
There are pubs in my city where there is little seating, although I concede, there is a limited amount, but the majority of customers stand to drink.
"//That is not the market and genre of pub I am discussing//
I'm sorry, I though this was a discussion about all puns. You certainly didn't make the distinction."
It's not a discussion about pubs, it's a discussion about the closure of pubs, caused by immigration, which is arrant nonsense.
My post was to underline the changes in British drinking culture, which are nothing to do with the amount or ethnicity of immigrants.
There are pubs in my city where there is little seating, although I concede, there is a limited amount, but the majority of customers stand to drink.
"//That is not the market and genre of pub I am discussing//
I'm sorry, I though this was a discussion about all puns. You certainly didn't make the distinction."
It's not a discussion about pubs, it's a discussion about the closure of pubs, caused by immigration, which is arrant nonsense.
My post was to underline the changes in British drinking culture, which are nothing to do with the amount or ethnicity of immigrants.
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