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Who Are Responsible For These Anti-Semitic Attacks, Why Is It That It Is Not Being Reported?
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Read up about the Stern Gang and the St David's Hotel bombing in Palestine. The hanged bodies of British troops left in Palestinian Orange Groves which were booby trapped by members of the Stern Gang. These same British soldiers fought a long bloody campaign to liberate Auschwitz, Bergen Belsen, Dachau to name but three in hundreds.
The St David's Hotel ,BTW, was military HQ in Palestine. No, the British were not overly impressed by the show of gratitude towards them.
Read up about the Stern Gang and the St David's Hotel bombing in Palestine. The hanged bodies of British troops left in Palestinian Orange Groves which were booby trapped by members of the Stern Gang. These same British soldiers fought a long bloody campaign to liberate Auschwitz, Bergen Belsen, Dachau to name but three in hundreds.
The St David's Hotel ,BTW, was military HQ in Palestine. No, the British were not overly impressed by the show of gratitude towards them.
sp1814
/// I was trying to differentiate regular right wingers like yourself, with the moronic underclass who have traditionally attacked Jews because their hearts are filled with hatred and their heads are filled with...air. ///
There are moronic underclass who's hearts are filled with hatred and their heads are filled with...air., at all levels of the political spectrum, and amongst the rest of society,
/// Forgive me for using the 'R' word. ///
I forgive you, but feel free to put Racist since you put it before, and I am not aware that it has been made unusable in such a short time.
/// What word would you use to describe people who hate Jews for absolutely no reason other than their Juadism. ///
'Anti-Semitic' as I have already used.
/// ...and more to the point, why do right wing groups hate Jews so much...??? ///
Not only Right-Wing groups as I have already pointed out, some ABers seem to hate them, and these individuals can in no way be classed 'Right-Wingers'.
/// I was trying to differentiate regular right wingers like yourself, with the moronic underclass who have traditionally attacked Jews because their hearts are filled with hatred and their heads are filled with...air. ///
There are moronic underclass who's hearts are filled with hatred and their heads are filled with...air., at all levels of the political spectrum, and amongst the rest of society,
/// Forgive me for using the 'R' word. ///
I forgive you, but feel free to put Racist since you put it before, and I am not aware that it has been made unusable in such a short time.
/// What word would you use to describe people who hate Jews for absolutely no reason other than their Juadism. ///
'Anti-Semitic' as I have already used.
/// ...and more to the point, why do right wing groups hate Jews so much...??? ///
Not only Right-Wing groups as I have already pointed out, some ABers seem to hate them, and these individuals can in no way be classed 'Right-Wingers'.
sp1814.
/// ..but why the hatred from the BNP? ///
Oh now you are being more specific, but you seem to be a little out of date, perhaps you would care to read this?
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*** In the last year or so, the BNP has completed the final stages of its ideological reforms. The three big things that had to go were anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism, and fascist-socialist economics. To wit: ***
*** 1. The BNP has now evolved to the point where it doesn't have any significant antagonism towards Jews as such, or towards Israel. Unlike the left, it has no interest in Palestinians or the larger Arab cause, and it takes the Islamic threat seriously. It has zero inclination to actively side against Israel, simply because it really wants to have nothing to do with the Middle East at all. Griffin said: ***
*** "As nationalists, our duty is to work to build a better country for our own people, not to worry about or interfere in the affairs of others. The Middle East is simply not our problem or our business." ***
/// ..but why the hatred from the BNP? ///
Oh now you are being more specific, but you seem to be a little out of date, perhaps you would care to read this?
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*** In the last year or so, the BNP has completed the final stages of its ideological reforms. The three big things that had to go were anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism, and fascist-socialist economics. To wit: ***
*** 1. The BNP has now evolved to the point where it doesn't have any significant antagonism towards Jews as such, or towards Israel. Unlike the left, it has no interest in Palestinians or the larger Arab cause, and it takes the Islamic threat seriously. It has zero inclination to actively side against Israel, simply because it really wants to have nothing to do with the Middle East at all. Griffin said: ***
*** "As nationalists, our duty is to work to build a better country for our own people, not to worry about or interfere in the affairs of others. The Middle East is simply not our problem or our business." ***
AOG
Are you saying that the BNP have decided not to spread hatred against Jews?
How wonderful of them.
Why did they spread hatred about them in the first place?
Seriously, it's like "Yeah...I know you guys have lived through one of the greatest atrocities known to man...but we feel that you haven't suffered enough".
Jaw-dropping.
Are you saying that the BNP have decided not to spread hatred against Jews?
How wonderful of them.
Why did they spread hatred about them in the first place?
Seriously, it's like "Yeah...I know you guys have lived through one of the greatest atrocities known to man...but we feel that you haven't suffered enough".
Jaw-dropping.
AOG
You wrote:
"There are moronic underclass who's hearts are filled with hatred and their heads are filled with...air., at all levels of the political spectrum"
Indeed, but we are talking about people who would attack Jews.
I would say that those who vehemently support the Palestinian cause, fundamentalised Muslims and bigoted 'r-word' thugs should be at the top of the list of suspects.
You wrote:
"There are moronic underclass who's hearts are filled with hatred and their heads are filled with...air., at all levels of the political spectrum"
Indeed, but we are talking about people who would attack Jews.
I would say that those who vehemently support the Palestinian cause, fundamentalised Muslims and bigoted 'r-word' thugs should be at the top of the list of suspects.
// Oh dear, almost similar to "I am not a racist some of my best friends are black". //
Fair point. I can clearify.
I have relatives who are in the Jewish faith and I have worked with Jewish people in the past, and I have no animosity against them or their religion. I do not agree with their religion but I do not agree with Christianity, islam or any other faith. I am not anti Jew or Muslim or Christian. I find things that they all do (or don't do) because of their religion, to be nonsense at times, but I respect their freedom to believe such nonsense, as long as it does not impact belly on the rest of us who do not.
I can think of a lot to disagree with the State of Israel and its foreign Policy. But that is Politics not religion. To voice concerns about its treatment of others is not anti-semitic.
Unfortunately, Jewish Politicians and their supporters here regard any criticism of Israel to equate with hating the Jews and being anti-semitic.
The Community Security Trust does not differentiate. Any criticism of Israel is recorded as a hate crime. Which is why I do not believe their figures.
Fair point. I can clearify.
I have relatives who are in the Jewish faith and I have worked with Jewish people in the past, and I have no animosity against them or their religion. I do not agree with their religion but I do not agree with Christianity, islam or any other faith. I am not anti Jew or Muslim or Christian. I find things that they all do (or don't do) because of their religion, to be nonsense at times, but I respect their freedom to believe such nonsense, as long as it does not impact belly on the rest of us who do not.
I can think of a lot to disagree with the State of Israel and its foreign Policy. But that is Politics not religion. To voice concerns about its treatment of others is not anti-semitic.
Unfortunately, Jewish Politicians and their supporters here regard any criticism of Israel to equate with hating the Jews and being anti-semitic.
The Community Security Trust does not differentiate. Any criticism of Israel is recorded as a hate crime. Which is why I do not believe their figures.
yes it's rhymming slang and before anyone accuses me of using derogatory terms, not ethe name of Sacha Baron Cohens production company:
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// at least 2 members of AB have called for Israel to be wiped off the map in recent weeks //
Not true. The posts I wrote which Tora is referring to are these.
// The invention of the modern State of Israel was a bad mistake and the world would be a better place without it. But you cannot undo history. Though you can shape the future. //
// He said Israel should be removed from the map, which is not the same as anillated. Removed from the map just means their statehood should be rescinded. In view of Israel's repeated atrocities, I could support that. //
As I said in my post above, anything vaguely critical of the State of Israel, the country, is twisted to brand whoever says it as being anti-semitic. I will continue to criticise the country if I disagree with their policies, and TTT will continue to interpret those as anti-semitic remarks. They are not.
Not true. The posts I wrote which Tora is referring to are these.
// The invention of the modern State of Israel was a bad mistake and the world would be a better place without it. But you cannot undo history. Though you can shape the future. //
// He said Israel should be removed from the map, which is not the same as anillated. Removed from the map just means their statehood should be rescinded. In view of Israel's repeated atrocities, I could support that. //
As I said in my post above, anything vaguely critical of the State of Israel, the country, is twisted to brand whoever says it as being anti-semitic. I will continue to criticise the country if I disagree with their policies, and TTT will continue to interpret those as anti-semitic remarks. They are not.
see for youselves, gromit you cannont back pedal out of this one you are clearly backing Beunchico who is supporting dinnerjacket.
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beunchico, 20:12: "I support Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's call for Israel to be totally wiped from the map."
Gromit, 22:03: "He said Isreal should be removed from the map, which is not the same as annilated. Removed from the map just means their statehood should be recinded. In view of Israel's repeated ateocities, I could support that. "
err no Beunchico did not say "removed" that word does not exist in his post.
So gromit you support the abolishment of Israel then? what should happen to the people there?
Would you say that wanting to erase the nation however you choose to term it or indeed perform it is a teenay weenxy bit anti semetic?
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beunchico, 20:12: "I support Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's call for Israel to be totally wiped from the map."
Gromit, 22:03: "He said Isreal should be removed from the map, which is not the same as annilated. Removed from the map just means their statehood should be recinded. In view of Israel's repeated ateocities, I could support that. "
err no Beunchico did not say "removed" that word does not exist in his post.
So gromit you support the abolishment of Israel then? what should happen to the people there?
Would you say that wanting to erase the nation however you choose to term it or indeed perform it is a teenay weenxy bit anti semetic?
Not sure why you reposted the quotes I posted what I said above.
// err no Beunchico did not say "removed" that word does not exist in his post. //
My reply was about the quote Beunchico wrongly attribute to Ahmadinejad. It was a wrong translation as I developed on that thread. Ahmadinejad was actually quoting Imam Khomeini who said "this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."
'This regime', not the Jewish people or the land. 'Vanish from the page of time' does not mean Nuclear armagedon or wiped out. It was that I was agreeing with as I made clear when I clarified "their statehood should be rescinded".
Yes, I believe the creation of the modern State of Israel was a terrible mistake, but that cannot be undone. And I believe it is a Rogue State, and if there was any justice in the world, they would meet the same fate as other Rogue regimes in the middle east. But as they have the support of the Us, I know that will never happen.
And No, I do not regard that as anti-semitic. It is about how that country conducts itself in the world, not about being against the Israeli people or religion.
// err no Beunchico did not say "removed" that word does not exist in his post. //
My reply was about the quote Beunchico wrongly attribute to Ahmadinejad. It was a wrong translation as I developed on that thread. Ahmadinejad was actually quoting Imam Khomeini who said "this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."
'This regime', not the Jewish people or the land. 'Vanish from the page of time' does not mean Nuclear armagedon or wiped out. It was that I was agreeing with as I made clear when I clarified "their statehood should be rescinded".
Yes, I believe the creation of the modern State of Israel was a terrible mistake, but that cannot be undone. And I believe it is a Rogue State, and if there was any justice in the world, they would meet the same fate as other Rogue regimes in the middle east. But as they have the support of the Us, I know that will never happen.
And No, I do not regard that as anti-semitic. It is about how that country conducts itself in the world, not about being against the Israeli people or religion.
Have you actually read the CST report Gromit, or just extracts in the British papers?
I have read it. Despite your assertions that they list any anti Israel comment as
antisemitic, the truth is many incidents are along the lines of 'you are Jews same as in Israel so we will attack you because you are closer and easier targets'.
Israel a rogue state? Hey, you obviously have never heard of mister Assad's little
country, Iran, Yemen and all the other murderous places in the middle east that are real rogue states. Then there is a crazy mob called IS that kills Muslims by the
thousand when it runs out of westerners.
You really are what others have called you. Someone who hates Jews.
I have read it. Despite your assertions that they list any anti Israel comment as
antisemitic, the truth is many incidents are along the lines of 'you are Jews same as in Israel so we will attack you because you are closer and easier targets'.
Israel a rogue state? Hey, you obviously have never heard of mister Assad's little
country, Iran, Yemen and all the other murderous places in the middle east that are real rogue states. Then there is a crazy mob called IS that kills Muslims by the
thousand when it runs out of westerners.
You really are what others have called you. Someone who hates Jews.
ANOTHEOLDGIT Jews are a race, from the CPS site,
"Racial Group This means any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin. This could include Gypsies and Travellers, refugees, or asylum seekers or others from less visible minorities. There has been a legal ruling that Jews and Sikhs are included in the definition of racial group"
"Racial Group This means any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin. This could include Gypsies and Travellers, refugees, or asylum seekers or others from less visible minorities. There has been a legal ruling that Jews and Sikhs are included in the definition of racial group"
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