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Llabour Are Getting Desperate - Time To Roll Out The Family
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Just like Brown, Milliband is slipping in the polls, its time to roll out the farm tiand Balls to scare monger about cuts.
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Mickey, you are aware 'cuts' to the NHS (possibly others but I only know for sure about the NHS) were started before the Tories came in? Most of these 'custs' you bleat on about are cutting waste, and there are bucket loads in the Government run bodies. No company would be run like this so why a Government body? The problem arises when someone who should be...
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Maybe time for the Tories to roll out their 'big hitters'
Maybe time for the Tories to roll out their 'big hitters'
By the way Linda, there is nothing whatsoever scaremongering about the future Tory cuts. They have already happened and they will continue to get worse in the future, if we have another 5 years of Tory rule. Only the other day, Police forces all over the country were saying that they faced huge difficulties in providing an adequate service, and would have even more problems in the future, in planned cuts are carried out.
It is issues like this that will influence the way people vote in a few weeks time. Issues are important, not character assassinations.
Lets debate issues, not personalities.
It is issues like this that will influence the way people vote in a few weeks time. Issues are important, not character assassinations.
Lets debate issues, not personalities.
Mikey, I am well aware that Cameron has done a sililar stunt and I'm not making an excuse for him, I think it's pityful when the leaders start parading their kids. Blair and Brown we're both at it and all the wives jump up to kiss their hubbies at conferences.
As for Balls scaremongering about cuts. I don't think even he believes there will be no Foreign office and other departments. It's downright lies. A lot of cuts have been cutting out waste. I could dig up so many none jobs a and bloated Quangos created underLabour along with none jobs but but I dont think there is room on this forum. You say people will be voting on the 'cuts' issue. I think they will be more concerned about spending money we don't have.
As for Balls scaremongering about cuts. I don't think even he believes there will be no Foreign office and other departments. It's downright lies. A lot of cuts have been cutting out waste. I could dig up so many none jobs a and bloated Quangos created underLabour along with none jobs but but I dont think there is room on this forum. You say people will be voting on the 'cuts' issue. I think they will be more concerned about spending money we don't have.
Mickey, you are aware 'cuts' to the NHS (possibly others but I only know for sure about the NHS) were started before the Tories came in?
Most of these 'custs' you bleat on about are cutting waste, and there are bucket loads in the Government run bodies. No company would be run like this so why a Government body?
The problem arises when someone who should be slimming down thes organizations decides, either for political or personal, to cut front line staff to make a point. That is where the Tories have failed. They should have used outside companies to make these cuts which should be confined to bloated managemtn.
Unless of course you like paying for bloated management Mickey?
Most of these 'custs' you bleat on about are cutting waste, and there are bucket loads in the Government run bodies. No company would be run like this so why a Government body?
The problem arises when someone who should be slimming down thes organizations decides, either for political or personal, to cut front line staff to make a point. That is where the Tories have failed. They should have used outside companies to make these cuts which should be confined to bloated managemtn.
Unless of course you like paying for bloated management Mickey?
Linda...I think we can agree that all politicians use their partners, and why not ?
The case that I made concerning funding for the Police is, however, a real one.
We just might be able to manage without Libraries, Old Age Pensioners Day Centres, etc, etc, but how many of us would be happy to see our Police so deprived of funds that they can no longer be effective ?
You will know from my previous posts that an issue that that I am particularly concerned about is the sexual exploitation of children, in the present and the past. dave said recently that child sexual abuse is going in Britain " on an industrial scale" and its an issue that I have no arguments with him at all. But the Police's ability to fully investigate these awful crimes is being. and will continue to be compromised by lack of funding.
So, on this issue alone, people will have a clear choice about when they step into the ballot box in May. What is very strange though is that Law and Order has traditionally been very much of a Tory iron-clad policy, but they seem to have dropped its priority down a peg or two of late.
The case that I made concerning funding for the Police is, however, a real one.
We just might be able to manage without Libraries, Old Age Pensioners Day Centres, etc, etc, but how many of us would be happy to see our Police so deprived of funds that they can no longer be effective ?
You will know from my previous posts that an issue that that I am particularly concerned about is the sexual exploitation of children, in the present and the past. dave said recently that child sexual abuse is going in Britain " on an industrial scale" and its an issue that I have no arguments with him at all. But the Police's ability to fully investigate these awful crimes is being. and will continue to be compromised by lack of funding.
So, on this issue alone, people will have a clear choice about when they step into the ballot box in May. What is very strange though is that Law and Order has traditionally been very much of a Tory iron-clad policy, but they seem to have dropped its priority down a peg or two of late.
YMB...Of course I am not supporting "bloated management" but would you use that phrase to describe your local Police personnel ?
We are also seeing savage cuts to defence spending. I am far from being a hawk when it comes to military issues but we are approaching a time when we may not be able to defend ourselves adequately because we just don't have the personnel to do it.
If we were faced with a emergency like the Falklands again, its now obvious that we couldn't do what we did 30 years ago. With a trigger-happy Putin larking about, is now the time to be cutting defence spending ?
By the way...why use the word "bleat" ? Aren't we having a adult debate this morning ? I'm sure we can do that without using phrases like that !
We are also seeing savage cuts to defence spending. I am far from being a hawk when it comes to military issues but we are approaching a time when we may not be able to defend ourselves adequately because we just don't have the personnel to do it.
If we were faced with a emergency like the Falklands again, its now obvious that we couldn't do what we did 30 years ago. With a trigger-happy Putin larking about, is now the time to be cutting defence spending ?
By the way...why use the word "bleat" ? Aren't we having a adult debate this morning ? I'm sure we can do that without using phrases like that !
There are some people that believe there should be no cuts in spending whatsoever. How are we supposed to reduce the colossal deficit without cuts? On the one hand they are going on about tory 'savage cuts' then on the other they are having a go about the deficit increasing under the tories. Make you mind up, what do you want?
// Just like Brown, Milliband is slipping in the polls //
The similarity is with Cameron, not Brown.
A couple of years before the 2010 General Election, Cameron was ahead in the polls, but by election day the polls were neck and neck. That is exactly the same now, Miliband was ahead mid term but is now level with Cameron.
// its time to roll out the family //
This is hardly a novel election gimmick. SamCam was all over the media at the last election.
// and Balls to scare monger about cuts. //
Cameron was scaremongering about the deficit getting out of hand if Labour win yesterday. Again, doing down each others policies is par for the course.
// Llabour Are Getting Desperate //
Not sure if that is a typo or an obliques reference to the Welsh Labour Party. The things you cite as being evidence of desperation are no such thing. Every poll shows the Parties are level and some degree of coalition will probably be the result. With a 50/50 liklihood of a Labour led Government, why would they be desperate?
The similarity is with Cameron, not Brown.
A couple of years before the 2010 General Election, Cameron was ahead in the polls, but by election day the polls were neck and neck. That is exactly the same now, Miliband was ahead mid term but is now level with Cameron.
// its time to roll out the family //
This is hardly a novel election gimmick. SamCam was all over the media at the last election.
// and Balls to scare monger about cuts. //
Cameron was scaremongering about the deficit getting out of hand if Labour win yesterday. Again, doing down each others policies is par for the course.
// Llabour Are Getting Desperate //
Not sure if that is a typo or an obliques reference to the Welsh Labour Party. The things you cite as being evidence of desperation are no such thing. Every poll shows the Parties are level and some degree of coalition will probably be the result. With a 50/50 liklihood of a Labour led Government, why would they be desperate?
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/// By the way Linda, there is nothing whatsoever scaremongering about the future Tory cuts. They have already happened and they will continue to get worse in the future, if we have another 5 years of Tory rule. ///
Tell us mikey, if your caring Labour Party get in will they reverses all those cuts that the Tories have made, and if so where are they going to get the money from, even to prevent more cuts, or is it going to be another spend, spend, spend party that we have all become accustomed to?
/// By the way Linda, there is nothing whatsoever scaremongering about the future Tory cuts. They have already happened and they will continue to get worse in the future, if we have another 5 years of Tory rule. ///
Tell us mikey, if your caring Labour Party get in will they reverses all those cuts that the Tories have made, and if so where are they going to get the money from, even to prevent more cuts, or is it going to be another spend, spend, spend party that we have all become accustomed to?
At least the Tories will not be seeking a Coalition with the SNP. Milliband will not rule it out. scary!
Mikey. I'm sure they we're all just ask concerned with Child Abuse than anyone. I think this however started under 'diversity' New Labour. I seem to remember in other posts you were desperate to find white perpetrators to balance up then fact that many any of the gangster of groomers were of Pakistani origin. They we're to investigated at the time because the powers at be were frightened of being labelled Racist. Can you imaging what would have happened under this mindset if gangs of white men were targeting Asian Girls. These people, along with powerful men like Cyril Smith were untouchable at the time. I'm sure things have changed. As for the bloated NHS, I worked in medicine during New Labour and I saw the changes, and what it did to front line services, marginalising doctors by Target Managers and non medical staff riding roughshod over medical staff.
Mikey. I'm sure they we're all just ask concerned with Child Abuse than anyone. I think this however started under 'diversity' New Labour. I seem to remember in other posts you were desperate to find white perpetrators to balance up then fact that many any of the gangster of groomers were of Pakistani origin. They we're to investigated at the time because the powers at be were frightened of being labelled Racist. Can you imaging what would have happened under this mindset if gangs of white men were targeting Asian Girls. These people, along with powerful men like Cyril Smith were untouchable at the time. I'm sure things have changed. As for the bloated NHS, I worked in medicine during New Labour and I saw the changes, and what it did to front line services, marginalising doctors by Target Managers and non medical staff riding roughshod over medical staff.
Linda...Child Sexual Abuse most certainly DID NOT start under Labour ! But perhaps you didn't really mean that and are referring to very recent events. The Press over the last few months have been awash with court cases concerning paedophile activity, some but not all committed by non-white men.
But my point still stands....are the Police going to be able to cope with the extra demands made upon them, while investigating child sexual abuse, historic or current, if their budgets are being constantly reduced ? The future plans of the Labour Party may be up for doubt and debate but the current record under this Tory administration is a matter of fact.
If it is true that the Tories plan ever greater cuts in the future, and they have already said that they are, then will be acceptable to the general public ?
But my point still stands....are the Police going to be able to cope with the extra demands made upon them, while investigating child sexual abuse, historic or current, if their budgets are being constantly reduced ? The future plans of the Labour Party may be up for doubt and debate but the current record under this Tory administration is a matter of fact.
If it is true that the Tories plan ever greater cuts in the future, and they have already said that they are, then will be acceptable to the general public ?
By complete coincidence ( honest ! ) I found this on the BBC News website this morning. :::::
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