Irans Answer To Womens Week ?

[youngmafbog]

Another Gem from the ROP, Equal rights? what are they ?

Looks like the kitchen sink and the bedroom for women.


http://news.sky.com/story/1442873/iran-laws-make-women-baby-making-machines

[Svejk]

Another tricky one for the liberal/left. ;-)

[Zacs-Master]

So YMB, you're 'shocked' that a middle eastern country treats it's subjects in a feudal, prejudiced way?
Mmm.

[Svejk]

Generally speaking I've found that love of brown-eyed boys trumps wimmins rights. We shall see.(perhaps)

[youngmafbog]

I dont see anywhere where I said I was shocked.

Perhaps you can point it out to me?

Or did you just make it up like usual?

[Gromit]

Increasing the population by encouraging indigenous births is better than our increasing it by letting in millions of immigrants. We coyld learn from them.

[Gromit]

The female literacy rate in females was 35% under the Shah's rule in 1978, just before he was toppled. Under the Islamic Republic the female Literacy rate is just about Universal, all women can read and write.

[Svejk]

^ a veritable paradise for women, I'm sure.

[Zacs-Master]

Can you tell me where it says that women will be confined to the kitchen sink and bedroom?

[anotheoldgit]

If they want to increase their population, no problem, they can take back some of theirs who live in this country.

[Zacs-Master]

If that someone were a doctor who saved your loved ones life.....would you be happy then AOG?

Another 'I didn't think that one through' comment.

[New Judge]

A week or two ago, when discussing Muslim attitudes towards women, I suggested they were seen as child bearing chattels. Some respondents disliked this response. There was no doubt in my mind then that I was correct and even less now. This report is not from some “Right Wing swivel-eyed loonies” (a popular tem at the moment) but Amnesty International.

“The proposed laws will entrench discriminatory practices and set the rights of women and girls in Iran back by decades.”

So, back to about 1397, then.

“Increasing the population by encouraging indigenous births is better than our increasing it by letting in millions of immigrants. We coyld learn from them.”

No we couldn’, Gromit. The Iranian leadership wants to double the country’s population. No nation needs an ever increasing population (certainly not the UK and positively no country on the scale Iran is proposing). Nations need to find a way to manage with, at worst, a level population but preferably with one showing a small and steady decline.

[Old_Geezer]

Surely it isn't laws but Allah (all praise to his name) who made women 'baby-making machines, and it is the countries flouting the will of Allah (may he be praised forever) who allow women too much unnatural freedom ?

[Gromit]

New Judge,

The aim of the Iranians is not to double the population, the want to lower the age of the population. That means there are enough younger people to work and pay for its older people. A good plan, the opposite to what we are doing.

[Gromit]

// With widespread fall in fertility rates and significant rises in life expectancy, the median age of Britain’s population is rising. Today, for the first time in history, Britain’s over-65s now outnumber people under the age of 16.
This ageing population trend is being made worse by the inevitable retirement of the so-called baby boom generation over the coming decades. The baby boomers were born during a period of rapid population growth and social change between 1946-64, with 17m births recorded in Britain alone during this period. Those born at this time are now beginning to reach retirement age and are set to have a dramatic effect on the people, society and the economy of Britain.
There are currently 4 people of working age supporting each pensioner in Britain, by 2035 this number is expected to fall to 2.5, and by 2050 to just 2. The number of people of working age in relation to retirees is known as the ‘dependency ratio’. //

The Iranians are trying to improve their dependency ratio.

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// If that someone were a doctor who saved your loved ones life.....would you be happy then AOG? ///

This "ah but what would we do without foreign doctors" is wearing even more thinly than the 'racist' label.

I wonder out of all the tens of thousands immigrants in this country, how many of them are actually doctors?

[Svejk]

Ponzi scheme is right, fender. Lefty's excuse for flooding the country with immigrants.
Anyhow, don't they need doctors in Iran. (or any other country they come from)

[New Judge]

Yes, Gromit, apart from the fact that the report clearly states:

"The UN estimates Iran has a population of 76 million people but the country's leadership now wants to double that figure."

any substantial increase anywhere is completely undesirable.

As has been quickly pointed out, the model which relies on ever increasing numbers of people to cope with the problem of ever increasing numbers of people is rather akin to insisting that cats have more kittens because many of them finish up in a sack at the bottom of the canal. Obviously the problem is that the youngsters born to change the "dependency ratio" (or whatever) eventually end up, er..., getting old themselves (and probably living longer than those presently do). The answer to this? Why a greater birth rate of course! And guess what? Those babies also get older....!!!

As fender and Svejk have alluded to, a similar philosophy supports Ponzi schemes. Fine in the short term. Unsustainable in the long term and the promoter usually ends up inside.

I used to argue this point interminably with one of my old AB adversaries, jake-the-peg (whatever happened to jake?) usually in connection with unfettered immigration.

Governments need to develop a model which does not depend upon the contributions of current workers to finance the retirement of older citizens. Pension schemes manage it by investing current contributions instead of paying current pensioners out of them. To do anything else and especially to rely on a continually growing population is the logic of the madhouse.