Should Former Police Chief David Duckenfield Be Stripped Of His Police Pension?

[barney15c]

He won't face charges for this (as he has health issues) , but he should be stripped of his police pension at the very least.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-31821211

[DTCwordfan]

and perjury, Peter....?

[Buenchico]

>>>And if found guilty of a negligence case, couldn't he become personally liable to a potential class action for compensation?

Yes, he could. However there's a massive difference between negligence and simply making a mistake (however disastrous the consequences of that mistake might be).

[ToraToraTora]

No, he was not "directly responsible"

[barney15c]

It wasn't a mistake to lie after the fact though - that was premeditated.

[davetuc]

Just a thought.....are the thousands of ticketless Liverpool fans who contributed to the panic ever going to be called to give evidence?

[Peter Pedant]

Perjury is a crime and not a tort

christ what does that mean ?

It means that you cant go into court and say this man has injured me thro his disgusting perjury, so I want money aka damages - loss of a child, loss of his income and loss of companionship and twenty years heart pain
and since Perjury is not a tort = civil wrong, even judge judy would say get arta here

however good news boys

series of cases on psychiatric injury - and the police present were allowed to sue their employer a certain chief constabel for post traumatic stress disorder -he failed to give them a safe place t work

and the parents who saw it on telelvision were NOT - as in a technical sense their injury altho foreseeable ... was too remote

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199899/ldjudgmt/jd981203/white01.htm White v Chief constable

and ALcock and Hicks v Chief Constable .... here

http://e-lawresources.co.uk/Negligently-inflicted-psychiatric-harm.php

[ichkeria]

No he shouldn't

[Buenchico]

OK, let's be honest here.

How many people on this thread can say that they've always immediately owned up to their mistakes and never tried to cover up for them?

Count me out!

[ToraToraTora]

you and many seem to be wanting a witch to burn, I suggest you look closer at what is the true cause. This man admitted his shortcommings, admitted he was not the best man for the job, owned up to errors and even some untruths but he is not "directly responsible" for what happenned.

[Peter Pedant]

// It wasn't a mistake to lie after the fact though - that was premeditated.//

I am not sure if it was premeditated - as in planned before - but I regret that no one at the time had the Bells to tell Mrs Thatcher that this was a complete cack-up
Instead they said, Yeah Miss the scousers are animals
now where is my *** great big pay rise - promotion - fat pension and visits to the palace ?

I just regret the lack of integrity in those set over us to rule us

[ummmm]

Chris...there is no possibility that you've ever felt love or be loved.

And don't blame your 'high functioning' autism.

[Peter Pedant]

BC // How many people on this thread can say that they've always immediately owned up to their mistakes and never tried to cover up for them? //
what you mean like you've just run over a family and zeroed half of them and you say - O it was my wife driving ?

no count me out on that one

[ToraToraTora]

Funny you should mention TGL , PP, surprised she's not getting the blame for this.

[Buenchico]

An analogy:
Every single day in this country a heart specialist or brain surgeon (or other medical specialist) will make a decision which he/she thinks is in the best interests of his/her patient but which actually leads to their death. (I've actually had a conversation with a heart surgeon where he told me "I've probably killed dozens of patients in my time; you try to get it right every time but it's simply not possible").

David Duckenfield made a decision which, at the time, he regarded as being in the best interests of crowd safety. You don't prosecute (or vilify) heart surgeons for their mistakes, so why should DD be any different?

[Peter Pedant]

3T // surprised she's not getting the blame for this.//

she hasnt just spent two days in the witness box and admitted she had previously lied

so no, I am not surprised she is not getting the blame....

[ altho she did scribble in the margin of one of the papers wondering if the now-proven-innocent Irish non-bombers were innocent after all " Oh do we have to go thro all this again ?" ]

[EDDIE51]

^^ It was not the initial mistake but the years of denial and lies that caused the problem.

[Buenchico]

>>>It was not the initial mistake but the years of denial and lies that caused the problem

I can't argue with that but it still can't turn a simple mistake into 'negligence'.

We all make mistakes!

[mikey4444]

Its taken 25 years to get to the truth and what happened in court yesterday was a bombshell moment. The Police lied....we all knew that anyway but at last, one of them have admitted the fact.

As NJ has pointed out, people make mistakes in the course of their work, and that is to expected from time to time. But this man lied for 25 years, until yesterday.

I feel nothing but contempt for that lie, and him.

[joko]

chris - you are embarrassing yourself.

[douglas9401]

Policeman lies

Well *** me with a big stick, who'd have believed it?