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Feminising The Oxford, Cambridge Boat Race.
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Nothing wrong in presenting a women's Oxford/Cambridge boat race, but should the traditional men's race be high-jacked in such a way as being rowed downriver, with the tide?
/// Robert Gillespie, chairman of the Boat Race Company, agreed that holding the men’s and women’s races on the same day was “good for rowing, for gender equality, and for sport as a whole”. ///
/// “The women will not achieve the same times and top speeds as the men, but this is not the ambition in moving them to the Tideway [the downriver, tidal part of the Thames],” he said. “The Women’s Boat Race is no less competitive and the athletes train and prepare in the same way, holding themselves to the same standard as the men. The move to the Tideway will showcase this and offer the same opportunities to both men and women.”
Nothing wrong in presenting a women's Oxford/Cambridge boat race, but should the traditional men's race be high-jacked in such a way as being rowed downriver, with the tide?
/// Robert Gillespie, chairman of the Boat Race Company, agreed that holding the men’s and women’s races on the same day was “good for rowing, for gender equality, and for sport as a whole”. ///
/// “The women will not achieve the same times and top speeds as the men, but this is not the ambition in moving them to the Tideway [the downriver, tidal part of the Thames],” he said. “The Women’s Boat Race is no less competitive and the athletes train and prepare in the same way, holding themselves to the same standard as the men. The move to the Tideway will showcase this and offer the same opportunities to both men and women.”
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the race is rowed up stream - that is, heading away from the mouth of the river, Putney to Mortlake - but with an incoming tide. So the rowers, of either sex, get maximum aid from the water direction. Men haven't had to row against the tide, if that's what you're thinking, and neither will women.
Or are you just suggesting women should get off the water and leave the men to enjoy themselves?
Or are you just suggesting women should get off the water and leave the men to enjoy themselves?
naval
/// All they have done is moved the womens race how is that hijacking the mens race - can the OP please answer this question? ///
Since you cannot work out that simple question for yourself please let me provide you with the answer.
Simply because they have chose to broadcast it on the same day side by side with the traditional 'Oxford, Cambridge Boat Race Day'.
Did you read my Women's Cup Final Day v The FA Cup Final Day analogy?
/// All they have done is moved the womens race how is that hijacking the mens race - can the OP please answer this question? ///
Since you cannot work out that simple question for yourself please let me provide you with the answer.
Simply because they have chose to broadcast it on the same day side by side with the traditional 'Oxford, Cambridge Boat Race Day'.
Did you read my Women's Cup Final Day v The FA Cup Final Day analogy?
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jno
/// the race is rowed up stream - that is, heading away from the mouth of the river, Putney to Mortlake - but with an incoming tide. So the rowers, of either sex, get maximum aid from the water direction. Men haven't had to row against the tide, if that's what you're thinking, and neither will women. ///
Apparently not, the women do it in the reverse order.
“Women do the exact same course as the men’s in reverse every year,”
/// the race is rowed up stream - that is, heading away from the mouth of the river, Putney to Mortlake - but with an incoming tide. So the rowers, of either sex, get maximum aid from the water direction. Men haven't had to row against the tide, if that's what you're thinking, and neither will women. ///
Apparently not, the women do it in the reverse order.
“Women do the exact same course as the men’s in reverse every year,”
naval
/// Hijack - to engage in such stealing or seizing. ///
And do you have to take everything a persons says literally.
The term high jacking is often used to describe other actions apart from the dictionary definitions you have given.
*** showing disapproval to take control of an organization or activity and use it for your own purposes
Environmentalists were accused of hijacking the rally to promote their own aims. ***
I think that definition fits the bill perfectly.
/// Hijack - to engage in such stealing or seizing. ///
And do you have to take everything a persons says literally.
The term high jacking is often used to describe other actions apart from the dictionary definitions you have given.
*** showing disapproval to take control of an organization or activity and use it for your own purposes
Environmentalists were accused of hijacking the rally to promote their own aims. ***
I think that definition fits the bill perfectly.
I don't think that's the case, aog. They're apparently doing it in the same direction. The women’s race will start at 4.50pm and the men an hour later, to give the men an extra hour in the sun (or rain).
It doesn't matter which direction you do it in; what matters is whether you're going with or against the current, which is extremely strong - imagine the entire strength of the North Sea surging in or being sucked back out. When the Marchioness sank in Southwark many years ago, bodies were washed up as far away as Hammersmith, about 8 miles upstream, because of the force of the incoming tide.
It doesn't matter which direction you do it in; what matters is whether you're going with or against the current, which is extremely strong - imagine the entire strength of the North Sea surging in or being sucked back out. When the Marchioness sank in Southwark many years ago, bodies were washed up as far away as Hammersmith, about 8 miles upstream, because of the force of the incoming tide.
here's a full Wikipedia page about the event. There will be three races on the day and a fourth, between reserves, the day before
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To be honest with you AOG, I think you're slightly misinterpreting the comments made in the article. Many female rowers (I've done it plenty of times) compete in the Women's Eights Head of the River (over 300 crews this year) which is held in the reverse direction over the Tideway course in March, two weeks before the Men's head (which also takes place in the reverse direction). I think that is what I being referred to. The Women's Boat race was held at Henley in front of what was essentially friends and family. I can see why the women would like the same opportunity to compete over the same course and get equal recognition for their endeavours.
I think you are under a misapprehension,aog.
As has been explained, all three races (the men's, women's and men's reserves) will take place on the same day, over the same course, in the same direction. That is to say from Putney to Mortlake ("upriver") with the benefit of the incoming tide.
As I explained in an earlier question (probably about this time last year when the question of rowing being "elitist" was aired) I have rowed extensively on the Thames. Most of my rowing was done a little farther west than the Boat Race (mainly on the stretches between Barnes, Chiswick, Kew and Twickenham, depending on the tide). I can say that to row decently in the middle of the river, as the university eights do, is all but impossible against the tide. We had to "paddle" as close to the banks as was safe when moving against the flow (thus minimising the effect of the current) in order to get to a point where we could turn round and have a good run with the tide. When doing this it was very welcoming to row inshore of Brentford Ait (where the gasworks were) as the island provided particular shelter from the tide but you needed a knowledgeable cox because there were a fair number of nasty obstructions in that dark and overbearingly dingy stretch.
Clare Balding has a point when she says why she has forsaken the Grand National this year. As she says, this is the only time it will be the first occasion that the ladies have been granted equal billing to the men, whereas the Grand National will still be around next year.
At least, unlike in tennis, the ladies will be rowing over the same distance as the men. I wish them luck. I rowed twice competitively over the Boat Race distance in the schools "Head of the River" race. That race is run over the same course but in the opposite direction to the Boat Race (with an outgoing tide). We were a good eight (especially the second time I took part when we finished eighth) but in well over twenty-one minutes. The Schools' record now is just under 17 minutes and the University Boat race record is 16 minutes 19 secs.
As I said, I wish the ladies luck. Over four miles is a fearful distance to row on a tidal river virtually flat out (Olympic events are held over a mere 2km - about one and a quarter miles - usually on a calm lake). After ten or twelve minutes you think you are going to die and five minutes later you wish you had. So all credit to the Ladies. At least, though, they only have one other team to beat. In the "Schools' Head" when I took part there were well over 200 !!
As has been explained, all three races (the men's, women's and men's reserves) will take place on the same day, over the same course, in the same direction. That is to say from Putney to Mortlake ("upriver") with the benefit of the incoming tide.
As I explained in an earlier question (probably about this time last year when the question of rowing being "elitist" was aired) I have rowed extensively on the Thames. Most of my rowing was done a little farther west than the Boat Race (mainly on the stretches between Barnes, Chiswick, Kew and Twickenham, depending on the tide). I can say that to row decently in the middle of the river, as the university eights do, is all but impossible against the tide. We had to "paddle" as close to the banks as was safe when moving against the flow (thus minimising the effect of the current) in order to get to a point where we could turn round and have a good run with the tide. When doing this it was very welcoming to row inshore of Brentford Ait (where the gasworks were) as the island provided particular shelter from the tide but you needed a knowledgeable cox because there were a fair number of nasty obstructions in that dark and overbearingly dingy stretch.
Clare Balding has a point when she says why she has forsaken the Grand National this year. As she says, this is the only time it will be the first occasion that the ladies have been granted equal billing to the men, whereas the Grand National will still be around next year.
At least, unlike in tennis, the ladies will be rowing over the same distance as the men. I wish them luck. I rowed twice competitively over the Boat Race distance in the schools "Head of the River" race. That race is run over the same course but in the opposite direction to the Boat Race (with an outgoing tide). We were a good eight (especially the second time I took part when we finished eighth) but in well over twenty-one minutes. The Schools' record now is just under 17 minutes and the University Boat race record is 16 minutes 19 secs.
As I said, I wish the ladies luck. Over four miles is a fearful distance to row on a tidal river virtually flat out (Olympic events are held over a mere 2km - about one and a quarter miles - usually on a calm lake). After ten or twelve minutes you think you are going to die and five minutes later you wish you had. So all credit to the Ladies. At least, though, they only have one other team to beat. In the "Schools' Head" when I took part there were well over 200 !!
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