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Last Night's Debate
So what are people's verdicts?
For the first time ever I have a grudging glimmer of respect for Milliband. The way he slammed the door in Sturgeon's face was very entertaining. Sturgeon then came accross as a needy just chucked ex-girlfriend begging for a second chance. I await with interest the vote in Scotland, which I think will be a significant contributor to the final result this year.
Milliband isn't PM material, but for my money he was the outright winner last night.
Farage shouldn't have criticised the audience, but not for the first time I found his points to be grounded in common sense - its a shame his party attracts, and is therefore tainted, by too many nutters.
Leanne (let's make unions more powerful, stop austerity and spend spend spend) Wood and Natalie (wibble wibble wibble snork fish wibble bicycle) Bennett are non-entities who can pretty much say what they like but will always be irrelevant.
For me, last night's loser was Sturgeon - but perversely I think Milliband breaking off the engagement will galvanise the Scottish vote which will result in Labour really struggling in Scotland.
For the first time ever I have a grudging glimmer of respect for Milliband. The way he slammed the door in Sturgeon's face was very entertaining. Sturgeon then came accross as a needy just chucked ex-girlfriend begging for a second chance. I await with interest the vote in Scotland, which I think will be a significant contributor to the final result this year.
Milliband isn't PM material, but for my money he was the outright winner last night.
Farage shouldn't have criticised the audience, but not for the first time I found his points to be grounded in common sense - its a shame his party attracts, and is therefore tainted, by too many nutters.
Leanne (let's make unions more powerful, stop austerity and spend spend spend) Wood and Natalie (wibble wibble wibble snork fish wibble bicycle) Bennett are non-entities who can pretty much say what they like but will always be irrelevant.
For me, last night's loser was Sturgeon - but perversely I think Milliband breaking off the engagement will galvanise the Scottish vote which will result in Labour really struggling in Scotland.
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I have only watched highlights this morning, but some things came over very clearly.
First, Farage was frankly daft in attacking the audience. I was expecting him to make a fool of himself, in one form or another but he really overstepped the mark there.
I thought Sturgeon was bang on the button, when she referred to him as the bogeyman, and he never really recovered after that. To be frank, I thought she put him in his place more adeptly than anybody I have seen recently....a very feisty lady indeed !
I too, thought Milliband stepped up the pace very well and I am more confident now, that he will retain more seats north of the border than has been previously thought. But even if he doesn't, the vast majority of the Scottish representation at Westminster will be anti-Tory, which is what dave must be having sleepless nights over. They face the very real possibility of having no Scottish Tory MPs at all !
Leanne Wood came over quite well, although she is incapable of having much influence one way or the other.
The Greens lady just appeared to be far too shrill, and I can't really say anything more I'm afraid, other than the Party should have made Caroline Lucas Leader, as they appear to have shot themselves in both feet by importing this ineffectual and irritating Aussie.
First, Farage was frankly daft in attacking the audience. I was expecting him to make a fool of himself, in one form or another but he really overstepped the mark there.
I thought Sturgeon was bang on the button, when she referred to him as the bogeyman, and he never really recovered after that. To be frank, I thought she put him in his place more adeptly than anybody I have seen recently....a very feisty lady indeed !
I too, thought Milliband stepped up the pace very well and I am more confident now, that he will retain more seats north of the border than has been previously thought. But even if he doesn't, the vast majority of the Scottish representation at Westminster will be anti-Tory, which is what dave must be having sleepless nights over. They face the very real possibility of having no Scottish Tory MPs at all !
Leanne Wood came over quite well, although she is incapable of having much influence one way or the other.
The Greens lady just appeared to be far too shrill, and I can't really say anything more I'm afraid, other than the Party should have made Caroline Lucas Leader, as they appear to have shot themselves in both feet by importing this ineffectual and irritating Aussie.
//First, Farage was frankly daft in attacking the audience. I was expecting him to make a fool of himself, in one form or another but he really overstepped the mark there. //
Well you would do, you are part of the lefty love in.
Far from making a fool of himself he has shown that he is willing to stand up and say what he thinks, which is very refreshing.
And judging by the voting on the debate after he took a fair chunk of the vote.
Perhaps you are the fool for having such closed vision you cannot see what is going on in front of your own eyes?
Well you would do, you are part of the lefty love in.
Far from making a fool of himself he has shown that he is willing to stand up and say what he thinks, which is very refreshing.
And judging by the voting on the debate after he took a fair chunk of the vote.
Perhaps you are the fool for having such closed vision you cannot see what is going on in front of your own eyes?
// //First, Farage was frankly daft in attacking the audience. //
that is the first rule in comedy - dont tell the audience they are croop
and the politicians there were all clowns !
Paul Nuttall I have to say -audience screaming for nuclear disarmament and couldnt hear a pin drop on immigration...had a point
and here is Farage - on radio - saying when you ask if there is a housing need if the population goes up by 7 million and they said no !
It seems that the audience was selected ....oops
In terms of changing views and voting intentions
judging from this thread, views are as entrenched as ever
that is the first rule in comedy - dont tell the audience they are croop
and the politicians there were all clowns !
Paul Nuttall I have to say -audience screaming for nuclear disarmament and couldnt hear a pin drop on immigration...had a point
and here is Farage - on radio - saying when you ask if there is a housing need if the population goes up by 7 million and they said no !
It seems that the audience was selected ....oops
In terms of changing views and voting intentions
judging from this thread, views are as entrenched as ever
on a point of order:
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retrocop I think you need another cup of retrocoffee !
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retrocop I think you need another cup of retrocoffee !
It fundamentally doesn't matter if the audience was fixed or not -- Farage is daft for thinking it's a good idea to say so in such a condescending way. There's a nasty of habit of people on the extreme wings of politics to talk down to people who disagree with them. Criticising their intelligence, or ability to comprehend various points.
This is a particularly bad idea because Farage has so much ground to make up in the polls to have any significant impact in terms of seats won. And he's just insulted a significant proportion of the people whose support he needs! Berk move.
When it comes to UKIP an unbiased audience is one in which something close to 85% of the members +/- 5% is against the party anyway, based on current polling figures, so I don't see how he has any case even if the majority were against his party. As to the support for the Greens -- well, given some of their catchy-sounding promises including massive hikes in minimum wage, etc, I don't think anyone should be surprised that such things are well-received by a studio audience. As soundbites they are very effective.
This is a particularly bad idea because Farage has so much ground to make up in the polls to have any significant impact in terms of seats won. And he's just insulted a significant proportion of the people whose support he needs! Berk move.
When it comes to UKIP an unbiased audience is one in which something close to 85% of the members +/- 5% is against the party anyway, based on current polling figures, so I don't see how he has any case even if the majority were against his party. As to the support for the Greens -- well, given some of their catchy-sounding promises including massive hikes in minimum wage, etc, I don't think anyone should be surprised that such things are well-received by a studio audience. As soundbites they are very effective.
That's an entirely made-up statistic and you know it. 99% agreed with him... who are you kidding? Yourself, perhaps, but very few other people.
UKIP policies probably are attractive to more people than polls suggest, because inevitably there are people who will feel that they have to vote Tory tactically -- but 99% agreeing with him? No. Just... no.
UKIP policies probably are attractive to more people than polls suggest, because inevitably there are people who will feel that they have to vote Tory tactically -- but 99% agreeing with him? No. Just... no.
Since my made-up statistics are based on poll after poll after poll for essentially five years running, they are hardly made-up. Get over it, svejk -- UKIP support is less solid than its supporters would like to hope. Given how bad their result was in 2010, at just a shade over 3%, they're doing very well to be appearing to quadruple that result. If they want to go any further, though, then insulting the intelligence of the electorate is a bad idea, and Farage has just made an awful mistake.
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