Deals In Smoke Filled Back Rooms.

[sandyRoe]

If Labour leaders said now that they would enter a coalition isn't it like saying to the electorate north of the border they could vote SNP and still get the Tories out? It wouldn't do much for their candidates chances.
But after the election who would blame them if they did try to strike a deal that would consign Cameron and his posh cronies to the dustbin of history?

[Canary42]

Clegg swore he would never work with the Tories before the last election

and look what happened.

[naomi24]

//Cameron and his posh cronies//

We've had thread after thread about Labour millionaires, and still the 1930s style blinkers remain firmly lodged place! Sheesh!

[Canary42]

What's the posh crony comment got to do with millionaires ?

Seems like the lady doth protest too much.

[ichkeria]

Mr Miliband last night, at long last, said what needs to be said loud and clear to the people of Scotland: if you vote SNP you won't get an SNP government at Westminster you will most likely get a Tory one. The SNP might like that idea but it will not be so popular with a lot of voters. He even said he would rather not be in government at all than govern with SNP support. It could hardly be clearer.
So a U-turn on that would be so spectacular he would be finished.
What was striking last night was how Cameron kept on saying 'vote for me' and 'the NHS is safe as long as I am prime minister' Which begs the question: what if the Tories are in government but you aren't PM
I'd love to think there was a dustbin with Cameron's name on it but it would need to be one big enough for all of them. I believe that freed from the influence of what Clegg calls the swivel-eyed folk on the right of the Tory Party Cameron would be a reasonable PM but they have their teeth into him now

[naomi24]

Canary, //What's the posh crony comment got to do with millionaires ? //

Silly question. No cronies in the Labour party.

//Seems like the lady doth protest too much. //

The lady isn't protesting - simply attempting to introduce a little rationality where clearly none exists.

[ichkeria]

The question is actually about the likely voting intentions and aspirations of Scottish voters as far as I can tell
Sandy makes a good point but it's a pity that Miliband was not more forceful before. If he was I missed it. Labour are paying the penalty north of the border for their part in saving the UK (it certainly wasn't Cameron's party that did that though that of course says more about the mentality of Scottish voters)
So to suggest that they would now undo all hat in cahoots with their sworn enemy is bunkum. A Tory Lab coalition is more likely. In fact a Labour UKIP coalition is maybe more likely!

[steg]

"Mr Miliband last night, at long last, said what needs to be said loud and clear to the people of Scotland: if you vote SNP you won't get an SNP government at Westminster you will most likely get a Tory one. "
So labour won 41 seats up here last time, if the SNP win the predicted 59 seats, that will be 18 more seats,(including 11 LD and the1 Tony seat that labour had no chance of winning up here) will be voting down the torys. So a full SNP sweep will help labour

[mushroom25]

politicians are conniving, slippery, back-stabbing, u-turning, equivocating slime bags, regardless of the colour of their rosette. if there's a possibility of them getting first dibs at the trough, anything that might have been said previously that contradicts what they need to do to get at that trough, will be quietly forgotten.

[steg]

And the SNP ruled out a coalition with anybody right from the start.

Also miliband never ruled out a deal with the SNP's alies in Westminster so......

[jno]

if Miliband is serious about not wanting to be PM if he has to rely on the SNP in any way, then he will not be PM. If he does cherish some hope of case-by-case deals then he might be better off not disdaining Sturgeon and all who vote for her party; she is popular with her country in a way English politicians can only dream of.

Cameron has been much more guarded, just saying he will try jolly hard not to do any deals. But he will if he has to; he's done so before. And if that's what it takes to run the country, so he should.

[ichkeria]

A 'full SNP sweep will help Labour' by removing 41 Labour MPs from Parliament?
Well that is what I would politely call 'literal thinking'

[ichkeria]

Or even 'lateral thinking'

[steg]

The 59 SNP seats will vote against the torys, last time 41 labour seats voted against the torys it's quite simple

[ichkeria]

Well that attitude is what I meant by 'the mentality of Scottish voters' I mentioned earlier.

[steg]

That attitude? What The Funicular are you talking about? Lol

[sandyRoe]

[i] these threads about "Labour millionaires", are they anything but a patently obvious attempt to open a gap in the Labour ranks? [i]

[ichkeria]

Steg your 'attitude' seems to be 'vote against the Tories' rather than actually 'for' anything.
If parliament was full of MRLP
members let's celebrate not for that they can do but who they can vote against.
Blind dislike of the Tories in Scotland probably led to a closer referendum vote and is probably the SNP's best hope of trying to keep the pot boiling. I am no lover of Cameron's party but even I can see that that is unsatisfactory

[steg]

ichkeria, I'm a Scottish nationalist I voted yes, I will be voting SNP because they are the only party up here that have a chance of getting an independent Scotland and can do the best deal for Scotland at Westminster . Scotland was basically destroyed by Thatcher and her gang of torys, I have no love for them and neither do most people up here. But 45% voted for independence the SNP have about 50% of the vote up here it's not anti Tory it's pro SNP pro independence

[naomi24]

//these threads about "Labour millionaires", are they anything but a patently obvious attempt to open a gap in the Labour ranks?//

They're pretty accurate so if they don't make dyed in the wool Labour voters think again, it doesn't say much for dyed in the wool Labour voters.

[ichkeria]

Do 'r want to disappoint you Steg but there isn't going to be another referendum - Labour and the Tories are too scared to say as much but that is the truth of it. You had a referendum: a free fair and legal one and you lost. If there was to be another one soon it would be very damaging for Scotland and also for the concept of having referendums in principle