Why Are The Interests Of The Child Secondary To Some "arrangement"?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32603514
Surely a child is better off with it's mother.

[bednobs]

well then by your definition neither is living with a single mum

[andy-hughes]

TTT - //I was not marking their "parenting" skills out of 10. Children are generally best rasied in a family with the standard configuration. 2 same sex people co habiting are not the best environment to raise a child. //

No - that is the standard format - but that does not make it the best.

Children are best raised in a loving family environment where they are given love, security, and support.

That can be a 'standard family set up, but equally it can be one parent of either gender, or two parents of the same and either gender, biologically connected, or not.

The circumstances are individual for each and every situation, each and every child, and no 'standard' model of 'best' applies - just the most frequent - which us often seen as the most suitable, but that does not by any means make it so.

[ToraToraTora]

it's my opinion.

[ToraToraTora]

My response at 11:11 was for frognog.

This is a perfect example of what we are talking about on another thread. I dare to differ from the trendy right on view, therefore I must be beaten into submission!

[andy-hughes]

TTT - //I dare to differ from the trendy right on view, therefore I must be beaten into submission! //

I don't think that placing a child with parent(s) most suitable to raise the child in a safe loving nurturing environment can be seen as a 'trendy right on view'.

[mushroom25]

//Children are best raised in a loving family environment where they are given love, security, and support. //

yes indeed. but kids can be cruel beggars, and will mercilessly pick on a contemporary that doesn't conform. whilst society has moved on and the law amended to reflect that, families led by 2 same sex parents are still very much the exception, and the girl in this case will be tormented relentlessly for it. and this isn't a high-profile family like that of dwight and furnish - these 2 guys really will have their work cut out supporting their child.

[ToraToraTora]

no bednobs, single parent is not ideal but in the absence of the traditional model it is better than 2 same sex "parents"

andy: 2 men cannot be "most suitable"!

[andy-hughes]

TTT - //andy: 2 men cannot be "most suitable"! //

I think we must agree to disagree.

For me, the issue of gender or personal relationship is not a bar to being a good parent - or parents.

Obviously for you, that is a bar.

[Retrochic]

Tora the judge was in receipt of the full facts on the suitability of the two men to parent the child and made his decision thus. Your opinion of the suitability is pure conjecture based on your own personal prejudices.

[ummmm]

Well a judge considered them most suitable.

[Retrochic]

ummmm we will have to stop agreeing with one another people will start talking ;-)

[murraymints]

clearly the judge is in full posession of all the facts and has made a judgement based thereon.. there is no right or wrong to parenting and who is better by virtue of gender....the better parents were allocated custody, not the better men or woman..irrespective of sexuality

[MallyJ]

Oh dear ...... as I said children are best raised by open minded people who are without prejudice.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //The Mother's problem was that she dared to criticise gays.

Ms Justice Russell said the woman had used "offensive language" including "stereotypical images and descriptions of gay men" and had "insinuated that gay men in same-sex relationships behave in a sexually disinhibited manner" and were "sexually disloyal to each other". //

No - the mother's problem is that she has been deemed as an unfit mother based on the evidence heard by the court.

Her homophobia obviously did not improve her position - but it appears it isis not the root cause of her unsuitability

[ludwig]

Reading between the lines it sounds like she behaved like a complete pain in the *** throughout the hearing, and the judge accordingly formed an opinion about her suitability as a parent.

[jno]

lol, TTT imagining himself "beaten into submission" because people disagree with him.

[woofgang]

poor sensitive wee lamb that he is

[ToraToraTora]

QED! the irony!

[hc4361]

Currently being discussed on Radio 2.

[youngmafbog]

Oh dear, you have wound up the right-on brigade here TTT.

Dont you know you are not allowed an opinion that differs from them?