Should Foreign Medical Staff Be Vetted More Thoroughly Before Being Let Loose On Our Ill?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3086922/Blunders-left-evil-nurse-free-kill-NHS-ward-Demands-inquiry-Filipino-psychopath-forged-qualifications-poisoned-22-patients.html

[woofgang]

The point is that under the current system, at point of employment or being accepted onto an agency's books, the qualifications of ALL qualified stuff should be checked and the relevant police check should be done on all staff. This is a failure of the system, nothing to do with the ability of the NHS to retain staff or the nationality or race of the miscreant. It would be germane if the people who failed to to the checks were foreign nationals and they failed to do it because they were foreign nationals but I doubt that was the case.

[Booldawg]

I wonder how 'deep' they are able to check foreign nationals and how reliable the data is?

[woofgang]

so far as forged qualifications goes, then they should either be on the Uk registration system or, where its acceptable, on the registration system of their home country. I have no idea about police checks and their limitations. For the qualification check to fail then the person must have committed a very detailed identity theft which is possible but not as easy as stealing eg credit card details. As I said before though, its much less easy to check on someone's sanity as exemplified by this website lol.

[Retrochic]

Mikey £21K a year (around £10 per hour) for a graduate nurse is a pittance wage.

Australia pays $29 per hour (£15) Canada $ 40 per hour (£21).

We pay our construction labourers £9 per hour

[Deskdiary]

"Why only Foreign, was Harold Shipman vetted before being let loose?"

I didn't realise Harold Shipman's qualification as a Dr was bogus!

[mikey4444]

Deskdiary...his qualifications weren't forged but he went on to kill hundreds of people, right under the nose of everybody associated with him.

Its not so different with this new chap.....he managed to do what he did underdetected for a considerable time. Its this issue that should be alarming the medical authorities, as well as the issue of checking quals.

[Retrochic]

I thought Harry Shipman euthanize terminally ill patients rather than killed them for psychotic reasons (not that that's any consolation for the families but a different type of crime)

[Deskdiary]

I was being a bit mischievous, in that I knew Shipman was a proper Dr (completely nuts, granted, but that he was properly qualified), whereas this Filipino had forged documents.

The mischievousness was that these are two entirely different scenarios and therefore it was a pointless comparison.

Ultimately the end result was tragically the same, BUT, Shipman was qualified, the Filipino was not, so drawing the comparison was a waste of key strokes.

[mikey4444]

Retro...with respect, that is not the case with Shipman at all !

He was a psychopath and murdered perfectly innocent and well people.
I read the following book 2 years ago, and the evidence within it was chilling. He did what he did because he was allowed to do so. Lots of different people and organisations should share some of his guilt.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Prescription-for-Murder-The-True-Story-of-Harold-Shipman-Brian-Whittle-Jean-/361131583769?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item54151ea919

He killed at least 250 and there is strong evidence that he killed many, many more.

I can thoroughly recommend the above book. I gave my copy away to someone and they passed it on to somebody else ! I think its time I bought another copy, and at £2:89, its hardy expensive !

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444

/// Its not so different with this new chap.....///

This new chap?????????

What a charming way to describe this sadistic killer.

[EcclesCake]

Retro, the only terminal illness my friends Mother in Law had was old age when Dr Shipman 'euthanised' her!

[Peter Pedant]

Yes they are
The GMC has an amazing raft of money making activities that foreign medical graduates have to jump thro.

European medical grads are let in free as it is agreed that if there were medical tests then the doctors in that country would combine to make everyone fail the entry exams - and that would mean more money for them

and yes after the Glasgow airport attack ( done by Maheed zonfire and so on ) the spokeslady for the GMC excitedly screamed they ( GMC) also had a anti-terrorist function - god help us all

and yes the GMC has an anti-mass-murderer function - and self conscioulsy says when asked how many doctors are mass murdering their patients says: truthfully we have no idea. They ( the GMC ) have this amazing paper exercise called money wasting "revalidation". One of its functions besides the anti terrorism and anti mass murder bit is to detect poor quality doctors. It doesnt do any of that but provides countless GMC apparatchiks with employment.

but dont worry folks it is all paid for by the doctors - say £400 a pop for 200 000 doctors is £40m a year innit ?

[brionon]

Vetted to see if they are potential murderers ? I don't think this man's ability as a nurse was ever in question !

[woofgang]

brionon, he faked his qualifications....do keep up!

[Retrochic]

Eccles -then I am wrong -I did not follow the Shipman story that is why the work 'thought' came into my post as in 'not quite sure'. Horrible crime whatever his motive.