Sunday Express Skeleton 24Th November...
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Rapists Yes - Police No
So it's vital to pursue alleged sex crimes from the 1960's, but police brutality in 1984 is too long ago to be pursued.
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How odd, isn't it ?
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///ummmm: Are you really comparing minor assaults with rape?///
Only in as much as both are CRIMES. And the behaviour of some police in this case is as bad as rape - both are submitting the victim to traumatic experiences - and note that I am NOT out to trivialise rape (an appalling act), but assault of any sort from supposed guardians of law and order is also reprehensible.
And what is your alternative ummmm ? I would be interested in your scale of expiration times for pursuing various crimes (e.g. rape 75 years, GBH 3 years, burglary 5 years, murder 20 years, etc etc - figures here are random for illustration only so don't go off on a tangent about my specific choices)
Only in as much as both are CRIMES. And the behaviour of some police in this case is as bad as rape - both are submitting the victim to traumatic experiences - and note that I am NOT out to trivialise rape (an appalling act), but assault of any sort from supposed guardians of law and order is also reprehensible.
And what is your alternative ummmm ? I would be interested in your scale of expiration times for pursuing various crimes (e.g. rape 75 years, GBH 3 years, burglary 5 years, murder 20 years, etc etc - figures here are random for illustration only so don't go off on a tangent about my specific choices)
The police, as an entity, is a massive PR exercise placing enormous resources where there's likely to be publicity and thereby criticism of inaction.
Results will be produced to suit the mood of the country regardless of the absence of physical evidence.
A few miners with bumps on their heads will never trump sex crime, the papers and, more importantly, their readers won't allow it.
Results will be produced to suit the mood of the country regardless of the absence of physical evidence.
A few miners with bumps on their heads will never trump sex crime, the papers and, more importantly, their readers won't allow it.
I find the comments by Chris truly shocking but similar to something a few weeks back, it's accepted because of who he is. The idea of a rape victim thinking it's no big deal and buying their attackers a pint, what can one say..
As for the police and the miners I've no doubt it was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
As for the police and the miners I've no doubt it was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
Just heard John Humphries interview an ex-Policemen on the Today program, and this man confirmed that he and his colleagues had their statements dictated by senior officers. He made the point that his statement was not, therefore, his own words !
And he thought that an Enquiry should go ahead, as he was not allowed the opportunity to give his side of the story. Straight from the horses mouth it would seem !
And he thought that an Enquiry should go ahead, as he was not allowed the opportunity to give his side of the story. Straight from the horses mouth it would seem !
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A childhood friend I have known for 60+ years and was with him on Wednesday was at Orgreave. I trust my friend's veracity totally. He was in a different force to me. He has told me this with regard to statement dictation.
Officers from many different forces took part in the events at Orgreave on that day. They were strangers to the locale.They were housed in aircraft hangars for the week and were bussed to the various picket lines each day.
Every other week they would be sent to another mining location in the UK.
After the day was finished all the officers were gathered in a large briefing hangar and a local senior officer briefed them with regard to the statements they were about to make.
Apparently a large board was in front of them with a plan of the site and roads were marked etc. Compass points shown.etc
My friend said all statements regarding actual events were made by individual officers.All officers were told of the salient geographical points within the area of operations concerned.This was solely to provide a clear picture to those conducting the operation.
I was not there and my role in the strikes was a logistic role i.e. escorts of coaches but I believe what my Thames Valley colleague (ex) totally.
Thanks for the notification of the Met tv programme earlier this week. I did reply in chatterbank.
A childhood friend I have known for 60+ years and was with him on Wednesday was at Orgreave. I trust my friend's veracity totally. He was in a different force to me. He has told me this with regard to statement dictation.
Officers from many different forces took part in the events at Orgreave on that day. They were strangers to the locale.They were housed in aircraft hangars for the week and were bussed to the various picket lines each day.
Every other week they would be sent to another mining location in the UK.
After the day was finished all the officers were gathered in a large briefing hangar and a local senior officer briefed them with regard to the statements they were about to make.
Apparently a large board was in front of them with a plan of the site and roads were marked etc. Compass points shown.etc
My friend said all statements regarding actual events were made by individual officers.All officers were told of the salient geographical points within the area of operations concerned.This was solely to provide a clear picture to those conducting the operation.
I was not there and my role in the strikes was a logistic role i.e. escorts of coaches but I believe what my Thames Valley colleague (ex) totally.
Thanks for the notification of the Met tv programme earlier this week. I did reply in chatterbank.
prudie, get him on Israel, he has openly said they should be wiped from the map:
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and gromit agreed!....and they are moderators. If I said anything remotely as offensive on either of these posts they'd ban or censor me!
ED, how do I become a moderator?
Anyway on the main subject, this was a battle caused by decades of union dogma it needed to be fought and thankfully we had TGL at the helm to flatten Scargill and co. Let sleeping dogs lie eh.
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and gromit agreed!....and they are moderators. If I said anything remotely as offensive on either of these posts they'd ban or censor me!
ED, how do I become a moderator?
Anyway on the main subject, this was a battle caused by decades of union dogma it needed to be fought and thankfully we had TGL at the helm to flatten Scargill and co. Let sleeping dogs lie eh.
During the strike there was a bloke from the Rhondda, literally, crying about being arrested on the picket line. Honest, law abiding citizen made to feel like a criminal, yada, yada. I was quite moved.
Shortly after I happened to be working with a couple of lads from his town. When I mentioned I'd seen their 'townie' on TV much hilarity followed. Turns out he was the biggest trouble maker in the Rhondda(quite an achievement) who had his own cell in the local nick, so often was he arrested for fighting.
Doubtless he'll be first in the queue for compo, which after all, is what this is all about.
Shortly after I happened to be working with a couple of lads from his town. When I mentioned I'd seen their 'townie' on TV much hilarity followed. Turns out he was the biggest trouble maker in the Rhondda(quite an achievement) who had his own cell in the local nick, so often was he arrested for fighting.
Doubtless he'll be first in the queue for compo, which after all, is what this is all about.
// this [police]man confirmed that he and his colleagues had their statements dictated by senior officers. ..//
This is part of viewing 1980s thro 2015 glasses
this was definitely lawful - RUC they were called 'chinese parliaments'
and were reviewed in 2001 by the HIgh Court concerning Hillsborough
and the judges said OK
( one of the reasons why I cant understand why the Hillsborough inquiry even exists )
This is part of viewing 1980s thro 2015 glasses
this was definitely lawful - RUC they were called 'chinese parliaments'
and were reviewed in 2001 by the HIgh Court concerning Hillsborough
and the judges said OK
( one of the reasons why I cant understand why the Hillsborough inquiry even exists )
It's nothing to do with autism. It's about Chris having the intelligence not to put it in print on an open forum.
Canary...I haven't thought about any scales but minors clashing with police and there's a few minor assaults. I'm sure those that were assaulted that day soon go over it and it's had no real effect on the rest of their lives. Whereas rape victims...
Canary...I haven't thought about any scales but minors clashing with police and there's a few minor assaults. I'm sure those that were assaulted that day soon go over it and it's had no real effect on the rest of their lives. Whereas rape victims...
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"That was a mass attack on the working class , by a right wing Government who hated the working class. A government that was led by the most hated PM UK History.... " it was in defence of a country under siege by communism, TGL loved the working class, she turned us from thinking the world owes us a living into captains of society, I am truly proud to be one of "thatchers children". Only lickspittle popinjays like you "hate" her, because she exposed you flawwed ideology. All you and yours have left is to brainwash chidlren to hate TGL herself with your disgusting perversion of history. The miners followed a donkey over a cliff.
