Agree Or Disagree?

[merylpeep]

TONY PARSON writes in THE SUN newspaper: WHEN I see an ice cream van run by a woman in a full-veil, full-body burka, I no longer recognise the country I grew up in. Can this really be England in the 21st century? It looks like a scene from Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. It looks like the Dark Ages in some fundamentalist state in the Middle East. But this is Dewsbury, Yorkshire, in the summer of 2015. In the bright summer sunshine, a little boy approaches one of the most evocative symbols of the season. The name on the side of the van, Rossi’s ice cream, will ring a ding-dong bell in a million hearts who remember the name from their childhood. But I can’t look upon this image with anything but despair. This is where it leads to — our mindless, unthinking tolerance for any and every culture that chose to migrate here. This is where it leads to — our very British reluctance to appear racist, or judgmental or xenophobic. Ghettos have been built on British tolerance. There are ghettos in Yorkshire, Birmingham and leafy High Wycombe. There are ghettos in East London where nobody thinks it remarkable that the wife of the President of the United States can tour a school where almost every girl is wearing the hijab headdress. Everyone dressing the same is NOT diversity. It’s a ghetto. That is the country we have created. We have invited millions in, given them British passports, lavished them with British benefits, made them recipients of British freedoms that our fathers and grandfathers fought and died for. And too often we are rewarded for our kindness with hatred. It is no coincidence that the ice cream lady in a burka was flogging her creamy wares in one of the hotbeds of Islamic madness. It is almost exactly ten years since 7/7 and the mass slaughter on London transport by four suicide bombers. That atrocity was planned from the Dewsbury home of ringleader Mohammad Sidique Khan. And Dewsbury was also the home of wicked Talha Asmal, Britain’s youngest suicide bomber, who ran off to join Islamic State and detonated a car full of explosives. “A sweet-natured, friendly kid,” says the former Labour MP Shahid Malik — a spectacularly insensitive thing to say about someone who has just committed a terrorist act of mass murder. But that is how isolated sections of the Muslim community have become. That is how deluded, self-pitying and plain wrong they consistently get it. At 17, Talha Asmal was old enough to know EXACTLY what he was getting into with the bearded butchers of Islamic State. What the hell is wrong with Dewsbury, a town of 60,000 souls that has inflicted such a mountain of misery on this country and the world? And what is wrong with US that we have allowed these wretched, hateful ghettos to thrive in our own country?
We should not be surprised that three Muslim women in what are described as “very unhappy arranged marriages” choose to take their nine innocent children to live under the fanatical rule of Islamic State.Because we have not insisted on integration from the people who have come here. We have not asked for loyalty. We have not even asked for a little bit of bloody gratitude. Now we reap the whirlwind of all our kind-hearted British tolerance. Now we see we have given entire English towns and city neighbourhoods away to people who have not the slightest inclination to integrate with the rest of us. In one area of Dewsbury, 97 per cent of the population is Muslim. Ninety seven per cent! Does that statistic astound you? It astounds me. David Cameron says that UK Muslims need to do more in the fight on terror. No, Prime Minister, UK Muslims who are totally separated from the rest of British life need to decide if they really want to be a part of this country. Or not. Britain is a wonderful nation. We are ALL lucky to be living here. But ghettos are an affront to everything the British love and they have absolutely no place in British life....

[-Talbot-]

"our very British reluctance to appear racist, or judgmental or xenophobic. Ghettos have been built on British tolerance"

Well I know that sums mikey's attitude. (haven't read the thread yet but can't but wonder if a few have been branded racist)


My take on it using my black friends as a yardstick... their dads (in the main) came from the West Indies, most of them decided to get houses near one another. I rember back then the backs to these houses had a rather derogatory nickname (N-word backs) simply because there was so many of them. These old fellows have either passed away or are still there but...

Back to my friends...they have moved from this place one and all, gone their own way, dispersed they have 'integrated' merged, mingled etc, etc. something young Muslim's don't seem to have any desire to do.

I used to think (and hope) their beliefs would get diluted as time went on and they would become more 'British' unfortunately I haven't seen anything that backs up my hopes.

[anotheoldgit]

Bouncer33

/// Wonder if cameron will read this , does anyone think he reads the sun?. ///

Perhaps he has been told that it is dangerous to look at the sun.

[whirlyhurly]

Muslims do not fully integrate and do not want to fully integrate/marry into our way of life. Their ideal scenario is for a Caliphate.

[stuey]

I don't even live in the UK, and I absolutely agree with the writer's statements. As I have said previously on AB, after reading some of the threads, posts, and links regarding the situation over there I'm extremely grateful for that large mass of wet geography between your place and mine.

[Gromit]

// (They first came in the 1950s... )
Yes all part and the beginning of Labour's mass immigration programme into this fair land of ours. //

The Tories were in power most of the 1950s. It was they who started immigration from the West Indies into the NHS and Transport.

[ponkle]

I agree with Tony Parson.

[stuey]

It's obvious that an insidious blight is settling upon Old Blighty.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

Labour opened the flood gates before the 50s.

/// The British Nationality Act 1948 (introduced by Labour) established the status of Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (CUKC), the national citizenship of the United Kingdom and colonies on 1 January 1949. Until the early 1960s there was little difference, if any, in UK law between the rights of CUKCs and other British subjects, all of whom had the right at any time to enter and live in the UK ///

Until the Conservatives put an end to it.

/// The Immigration Act 1971 (introduced by the Conservative Party) introduced the concept of partiality, by which only British subjects with sufficiently strong links to the British Islands (i.e. the UK, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man) had right of abode, the right to live and work in the Islands. ///

[stuey]

And that blight is both irreversible and irreparable.

[jourdain2]

I don't read the Sun. I have read aloud the entire OP to Mr. J2 (not indigestible!). I am glad someone has said this, rant or not it hits truths.
So the answer is 'Agree'. Talbot's 13.26 post is near to what I feel.

Don't want to harp on, but to integrate in France I had to accept their ways, language and laws (many seem stupid to me). Most Muslims don't seem to want to integrate into a non-Muslim society, in fact it's hard to see how they can practice their religion if they take part in a western society. Some educated Muslims, however, do - so it is quite possible with goodwill from them.

That being so, I feel it is in order to say 'integrate or find a country where you can live as you wish to live'. This is my country and culture, built by generations of my forefathers, so respect that. I don't see why I should lose my culture and lifestyle in favour of yours.

[jourdain2]

^^^ sorry 'practise'.

[mushroom25]

//The Tories were in power most of the 1950s. It was they who started immigration from the West Indies into the NHS and Transport. //

the empire windrush sailed from Kingston in 1948.

the tories were out of power until 1951.

[Gromit]

Mushroom,

During WWII the RAF recruited 8,000 from the Caribean. Windrush's passengers were largely those same men returning to re-join the RAF.

Recruitment from Asia of people to work in the north cotton and woolen mills started

[Gromit]

in the mid to late 1950s, under the Conservatives.

[Khandro]

Gromit; ^ and your point is what?

[Gromit]

Khandro.
AOG attributed the influx of Asians to Labour. My point is that they started coming to towns like Dewsbury during the Conservatives 13 years in office 1951-64.
And that the door was opened long ago.

[mushroom25]

exactly who was in power at the time of immigration to the uk is irrelevant. the biggest driver for migration from south asia was not encouragement from this or that particular political party, but the massive upheaval that followed the partition of india after independence in 1947.

[ichkeria]

I wonder if outbursts like this one be liable to censure under the putative "anti-extremism" legislation proposed by the current government.
Food for thought I think. And if Cameron does think about it for 5 minutes he'll drop the idea, because although this article is arguably an incitement to racial disharmony, it would be as outrageous to think of it as subject to a legal order. I wish people like Parsons, who is plainly a man with a brain and a gifted writer, would use his talents constructively and use it to stir the debate that gromit rightly says we should have, instead of accepting the easy option of a bit of an old editor-pleasing rant.

[tamborine]

Cameron was educated in Eton college where there are muslim pupils from wealthy muslim families. These families hold the reins of mosques & muslim population. Some parents are knighted for their financial input to Britain.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/26/crisis-what-crisis-britains-richest-double-their-wealth-in-10-years