Britain Stronger In Europe Campaign.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/12/stuart-rose-pro-europe-campaign-patriots-britain-stronger-in-europe

Will the likes of Lord Rose, the former executive chairman of Marks and Spencer, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and John Major, be enough to convince you to vote for Britain to stay in the EU?

[bazwillrun]

* shouting louder

[anotheoldgit]

EDDIE51

We are not a state but a Sovereign Country in our own right.

[EDDIE51]

AOG State , Sovereign Nation, makes no difference, we need to look beyond our xenophobia and move on to something bigger and better.
If we all thought like you we would still be in the ancient kingdoms of Wessex and the rest.

[youngmafbog]

//xenophobia //

Ah here we go. Loosing the battle are we so resort to name calling.

Get a life

[EDDIE51]

^^ I am quietly confident that the referendum will show a substantial majority in favour of staying as part of the EU.

[jim360]

It does seem to me that leaving the EU -- and, equivalently, Scotland breaking off from the UK -- is moving in the wrong direction. The world feels smaller, and nation states arguably make much less sense these days. So instinctively I'd vote to stay in the EU, because in theory it makes more sense to draw closer together than pull further apart. In practice... well, that's what I'll have to spend the next couple of years thinking about. But it would take some effort to convince me that we'd be better off in any tangible sense while outside the EU.

[SirOracle]

YMF You are the one who started the name calling on this ,thread ,not Eddie.

Sweaties is as offensive as Xenophobia. At least this word is in the dictionary along with Little Englanders,whereas Sweaties is not.

[anotheoldgit]

EDDIE51

And if we all thought like you during WW2, you along with all in the UK would now be under the Jack-Boot.

Oh wait a minute, do Germans still go around in Jack-Boots, or do they now prefer the more comfortable sandals these days.

[sp1814]

There is literally nothing Lord Rose could say to influence my decision.

I will be voting to stay in.

[Baldric]

/// Lord Rose, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and John Major///

One I know nothing about
One out and out self serving Liar
One totally unimpressive Ex PM
Make that Two totally unimpressive Ex PMs

So, no they won't

[Jackdaw33]

If ever I needed an incentive to vote OUT, which I don't, the involvement of the Prince of Darkness in this campaign would have settled it for me.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// I will be voting to stay in. ///

Would you care to point out your reasons for voting to stay in?

[SirOracle]

Jackdaw.......Which one is the Prince of Darkness ?

[Jackdaw33]

Peter Mandelson.

[EDDIE51]

AOG the 2 World wars are the very reason we need a united DEMOCRATIC Europe with equal rights for all !

[SirOracle]

Sorry I misread your post Jackdaw. I thought you were referring to one of the four people mentioned by the original poster.

[sp1814]

AOG

Glad to...

I would be extremely worried about what leaving Europe would do to inflation.

Primarily, I would be concerned about the increased prices for goods we import from Europe.

At the moment, trade agreements are in place which have been made as part of a EU collective - and my understanding that many everyday consumer items would be hit by new import taxes, as we would be outside the current EU trade agreements.

Higher prices for food, wine and motor vehicles would result in a rise in inflation.

A rise in inflation would lead to higher wage claims.

Higher wage claims would lead to a drop in the value of the pound (due to an excess of money floating around the system).

A drop in the value of the pound would lead to an increase cost of imported goods which would lead to higher inflation...

It's both a vicious and viscous circle.

Another thing that I think is really important, is that when we trade with the US, China or any of the emerging tiger economies, we are currently doing so as the world's biggest trading block. Also, within Europe, we have immediate access to 500 million customers with little or no barriers to trade. I would hate to see what would happen if we were forced to renegotiate all existing trading protocols with every single country in the EU.

There are other reasons, which I personally feel are a little less 'important'...and that's that I feel 'part of Europe'.

I work in a job which is closely tied with offices in Milan, Paris, Frankfurt and Barcelona and I enjoy the ease with which I can switch from working in one site to another (without visa hassles).

[sp1814]

AOG

I have other reasons, but I fear my soapbox may collapse under the weight of my self-righteousness.

[Gromit]

So we have leading Conservative Peers leading both the IN and OUT campaigns. So we can look forward to 18 months of the Tories tearing themselves apart over Europe again. Which will be nice :-)