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The Question Yvette Cooper Should Be Asking Why The So Called Refugees Are Not Stopping In Safe Turkey?

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anotheoldgit | 10:48 Sat 24th Oct 2015 | News
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/refugee-crisis-yvette-cooper-visits-greek-island-of-lesbos-and-slams-eus-failure-to-act-a6706557.html

/// as the refugees flocked ashore, some destroying their travel documents in an apparent attempt to claim to be Syrian in the hope that this would mean faster registration on the island and quicker transfer to the Greek mainland. ///

The Tories are not perfect, but it is frightening to think what this country would have been turned into, if Labour had won the election.



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Mr aog
But Yvette Cooper and her party can afford to display their compassion and largesse. They,thank God,don't have a country and economy to run so it is easy to impress the gullible what a good party they are. The only way they get votes is to swamp the country with immigrants who don't know any better their track record.
// Why The So Called Refugees Are Not Stopping In Safe Turkey? //

They are. There are 1.9million refugees in Turkey. So far we have accepted 7,000.
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Gromit

No they are not, they are getting into unseaworthy vessels so as to reach the Greek island of Lesbos and then onwards.
Refugees is it? When did we do away with 'illegal immigrant'?

I can't come back into my own country from abroad without showing valid documentation, what exectly the f*** is going on here?
The other question is 'how much can I get for all these cast off bouancy aids', they ain't cheap.
doug, it is quite easy to get into the UK without documentation, I've done it several times. just don't go through customs and immigration.
There are 4 million displaced Syrians. Over 2 million of those are in Turkey.

http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/country.php?id=224

The number getting into boats from Turkey to Greece is a small percentage of the 2 million. The vast majority are staying in Turkey to return to Syria when the war finishes.
Gromit
//The vast majority are staying in Turkey to return to Syria when the war finishes.//
So are you saying that the thousands "swarming" through Europe at the moment are not genuine Syrian asylum seekers fleeing from a war torn country then?
They are a mixture of many nationalities, not exclusively Syrian.

Virtually none of the illegal invaders using the Central Routes from North Africa to Italy and Spain are Syrian. They are mostly Eritreans, Nigerians, Malians and Somalians.

The Eastern route through Turkey is about 70% Syrians, and the rest Kurds, Afghans and Pakistanis. Though there are large numbers entering through the EU's external border, roughly 80% stay in Turkey as they want to return home after hostilities cease.
Gromit

//They are a mixture of many nationalities, not exclusively Syrian.

Virtually none of the illegal invaders using the Central Routes from North Africa to Italy and Spain are Syrian. They are mostly Eritreans, Nigerians, Malians and Somalians. //

Thank you for your accurate breakdown of what nationality the people who are swarming through Europe are.
A few weeks back ,when we saw the tragic body of the baby washed up on the beach in Turkey, we had ,on AB, almost mass outrage and hysteria saying that all these poor refugees must be allowed into the UK under humaniterian grounds en masse.
When some here tried to persuade the gullible that they were NOT all genuine Syrian refugees but economic migrants we were shouted down as heartless by those whose hearts ruled their brain.
It is good to see that you have described the genuine strife torn refugees as staying close to home with the hope to return to their country if peace is restored and the rest are basically chancers only wishing to scrounge an existence from the UK taxpayer. Something that some of us had already realised.




Retrocop,

I did not participate in that thread, I might have been on holiday.
Gromit
Yes I realise that. I believe you were.
Worth noting that all these people did not exodus 10, 5 years ago. They are not fleeing the Assad regime (some might want him gone), but they are trying to get out of the way of the war. If maniacs like ISIS are coming to your town, you leave if you want to survive. Presumably when those factors go, the people will want to return to their homeland.
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Gromit

/// Presumably when those factors go, the people will want to return to their homeland. ///

What the same as the Ugandan Asians did, when Idi Amin was got rid of?
Good point AOG, the length of time will be a factor.

The Ugandan Asoans had been expulsed for 7 years by the time Amin was gone. If the civil war drags on for another 7 years, I suspect most refugees will have settled, the majority in neighbouring countries, Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan.

The ones that make it to Europe will not return whatever happens, they have already decided that they are leaving Syria for good.

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