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It looks as if we are not now going to have the debate and vote on UK air strikes against Islamic State militants in Syria.
What with his recent defeat in the HOL, perhaps that slim majority of 12 is not really enough ?
It looks as if we are not now going to have the debate and vote on UK air strikes against Islamic State militants in Syria.
What with his recent defeat in the HOL, perhaps that slim majority of 12 is not really enough ?
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If that is the advice I think it is probably wise
I am not sure I see the point of yet another bombing campaign.
And Russia's increased intervention has raised the stakes. Assad's opponents are being armed to the teeth now (ironically) which is making the whole conflict even worse if that were possible. It would indeed be far better to try to get some peace agreement on the go. Realistically though the fighting will continue until everyone is exhausted
I am not sure I see the point of yet another bombing campaign.
And Russia's increased intervention has raised the stakes. Assad's opponents are being armed to the teeth now (ironically) which is making the whole conflict even worse if that were possible. It would indeed be far better to try to get some peace agreement on the go. Realistically though the fighting will continue until everyone is exhausted
Most MPs and political pundits are aware that the vote 2 years ago, which resulted in us not joining the conflict, was the correct result. We were expected to blindly follow the US (again) into a war where the objectives were unclear, and the expectations of a quick victory were nil.
A couple of years on, the assessment is 10 times worse. The Russian milirary presence, the rise of ISIS, the meddling of the Turks, and the duplicity of the Arabs means this is a war we should keep our noses out of. A most people know that.
A vote in the Commons would certainly fail, so it is unlikely to take place. That is not to say we will keep our noses out. Cameron is determined to meddle, so we will get involved without a Commons vote.
A couple of years on, the assessment is 10 times worse. The Russian milirary presence, the rise of ISIS, the meddling of the Turks, and the duplicity of the Arabs means this is a war we should keep our noses out of. A most people know that.
A vote in the Commons would certainly fail, so it is unlikely to take place. That is not to say we will keep our noses out. Cameron is determined to meddle, so we will get involved without a Commons vote.
If you try to confront a complicated problem with a complicated solution, you will only make it more complicated.
The Putin approach makes most sense; Support Assad (for now) as the legitimate leader of the country and oppose ANYONE, so-called ISIS or whoever, attempting his overthrow him. Only this way can you produce a cease-fire, and then political negotiations can begin.
The Putin approach makes most sense; Support Assad (for now) as the legitimate leader of the country and oppose ANYONE, so-called ISIS or whoever, attempting his overthrow him. Only this way can you produce a cease-fire, and then political negotiations can begin.
Putin's intervention seems actually to be weakening Assad. The anti govt forces have been boosted massively by outside assistance to the extent that in some cases Assad is on the retreat. Putin is also relying on Iranian troops to do his fighting, an arrangement that is bound to end in a cup de sac seeing Iran's vision for Iraq fundamentally differs from his. We wait to see what excuse will be made for the pull-out :-)
Ichkeria,
I cannot find anything to verify your assessment. Do you have a link.
The Syrian Army and Russian bombs attacking the white hat rebels have resulted in ISIS making gains over them, not over the Government forces. And those gains will be temporary.
This is a fortnight old, but Robert Fisk is a source I believe.
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I cannot find anything to verify your assessment. Do you have a link.
The Syrian Army and Russian bombs attacking the white hat rebels have resulted in ISIS making gains over them, not over the Government forces. And those gains will be temporary.
This is a fortnight old, but Robert Fisk is a source I believe.
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Retrocop,
The Russians already have a mediterranean naval base, they've had it since 1971. Obviously they don't want to lose it, which is part of their motivation for supporting Assad.
// We have no navy large enough to need one.! //
You must have missed the news that we have just broken ground on HMS Juffair, a new base on Bahrain.
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The Russians already have a mediterranean naval base, they've had it since 1971. Obviously they don't want to lose it, which is part of their motivation for supporting Assad.
// We have no navy large enough to need one.! //
You must have missed the news that we have just broken ground on HMS Juffair, a new base on Bahrain.
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"I cannot find anything to verify your assessment. Do you have a link.
The Syrian Army and Russian bombs attacking the white hat rebels have resulted in ISIS making gains over them, not over the Government forces. And those gains will be temporary. "
A Times article, I believe. The CIA are supplying one of the group now with highly effective anti-tank weapons. I was referring to Assad v FSA and co, not what is happening with IS, which operated largely in a separate area of the country. The early surge by Assad forces has largely been checked.
The Syrian Army and Russian bombs attacking the white hat rebels have resulted in ISIS making gains over them, not over the Government forces. And those gains will be temporary. "
A Times article, I believe. The CIA are supplying one of the group now with highly effective anti-tank weapons. I was referring to Assad v FSA and co, not what is happening with IS, which operated largely in a separate area of the country. The early surge by Assad forces has largely been checked.
Did the CIA provide these cages for your heroes, ichi?
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Why would they resort to such behaviour if the Russian/Syrian alliance are as ineffectual as you would have us believe?
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Why would they resort to such behaviour if the Russian/Syrian alliance are as ineffectual as you would have us believe?
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