So When Will We Get Our Vote Dave?

[youngmafbog]

Lets face it, his demands are pathetic, especially as a starting point. And lets face it the EU wont take any notice of any agreement, they are already bleating about it being illegal for us not to pay benefits to foreigners!!


So lets cut the crap and get to the crux Dave - the vote.

http://news.sky.com/story/1584559/eu-tells-pm-immigration-demand-problematic

[naomi24]

//When Will We Get Our Vote Dave?//

I think he said in 2017.

[janbee]

I thought he said he might bring it forward to June 2016?

[naomi24]

Hope he does.

[anotheoldgit]

Even if he manages to get what he wishes, does he really think that on that basis he can persuade the British public to vote to stay in?

[naomi24]

He hopes he can - but I don't think he will. I think the 'refugee' problem has probably sealed it.

[janbee]

Naomi, I agree

[Davemano]

I think that the only when we'll get a vote is either when we can't afford not to come out, OR more likely, when Cameron thinks he can win the IN vote.

[Davemano]

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First line should be the only time I think we will get a vote is when we are in so deep that we can't afford to come out, OR more likely when Cameron thinks he can win the IN vote.

[Hopkirk]

If we vote to stay in now, we will be too weak to fight our corner in future.

They will just laugh at any grumbles we have.

[Hypognosis]

@youngmafbog

//they are already bleating about it being illegal for us not to pay benefits to foreigners!!//

Yet they're in no hurry to set up a system of Europe-wide accountability, whereby people can work in any country but, as soon as they are out of work, their benefits are paid for by their country of origin.

[ToraToraTora]

well as we know the rules of the EU are only for the British anyway, everyone else ignores them.

[Hypognosis]

@ToraToraTora

Really? Any examples conveniently to hand? (of rules evaded)

[bazwillrun]

I have no intention of doing work on your behalf...google it , theres plenty of instances of France and Italy telling the eussr where to stick their dictats..

[anotheoldgit]

Hypognosis

/// Really? Any examples conveniently to hand? (of rules evaded) ///

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2003/nov/25/theeuro.politics

[Hypognosis]

Thank you, AOG.

baz: are you and T3 one and the same person?

[ToraToraTora]

the spanish fishing industry for a start hypo.

[Hypognosis]

@Tora

The fishing thing is famous enough for me to know what it was about but I had that filed away as "stupid rule" rather than a violation of rules.

They (Spanish) were granted a quota of fish from our waters. A reciprocal quota should have applied but no British boats would have spent fuel on travelling to Spanish waters because the fish there were (a) not cod/plaice/other high value fish or (b) unrecogniseable to British shoppers and thus unsellable anywhere except in Spain - for not enough money to pay for the round trip fuel and wages.

"Fair shares" of an assymetric distribution of valuable resources. We're lucky they didn't help themselves to our mineral reserves, as well!

[Old_Geezer]

It'll only be brought forward if a 'stay in' result is "on the cards". Otherwise I'd not be surprised if it were postponed until after the next election.

[Khandro]

Message today from UKIP; "The Prime Minister has today made it clear that he is not – as we suspected – aiming for any substantial renegotiation of Britain's membership of the EU.

In his speech to EU leaders there was no promise to regain the supremacy of Parliament, nothing on ending the free movement of people and no attempt to reduce Britain's massive contribution to the EU budget.


His speech was in short an attempt to portray a new 'third way' relationship with Brussels that is simply not on offer.

Elsewhere, in his letter to Donald Tusk, Mr Cameron showed no sign of him campaigning to leave the EU, in fact he pledged his 'heart and soul' to keeping Britain in the European Union.


The PM's speech has reinforced what UKIP has known all along – he pays lip service to the Eurosceptics in his party but his heart is not in the struggle for recovering British sovereignty. That leaves UKIP and its friends to fight for a way out of the EU. ........"

[ToraToraTora]

hypo, you forgot about the illegal nets that catch fish too young to have reproduced effectively killing off stocks wherever they go.