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Why Are Politicians Scared Of Cutting Immigration?
It is obvious the vast majority of the population wants immigration to be cut. Why wont the government act on it? What are they afraid of? I don't understand why they just cant get on with it.
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Our government should demand that we have control over our own borders or we quit the EU?
No half measures, that or out.
Mind you I think there is more to all this open door policy, it does nor effect the so called upper classes, they don't have to share, plus the fact that it lowers our own standard of living, lower wages etc, whilst increasing the gap between them and us.
Barons and serfs spring to mind.
No half measures, that or out.
Mind you I think there is more to all this open door policy, it does nor effect the so called upper classes, they don't have to share, plus the fact that it lowers our own standard of living, lower wages etc, whilst increasing the gap between them and us.
Barons and serfs spring to mind.
The underlying problem is that we are ruled by a minority "liberal elite" who have maneuvered themselves into positions of power.
How much should we cut, simple, cut to what the country needs and what the infrastructure can cope. Also only those that will integrate and not be a burden on the country.
How much should we cut, simple, cut to what the country needs and what the infrastructure can cope. Also only those that will integrate and not be a burden on the country.
It’s not entirely down to the EU, OG. In fact, far from it.
In 2015 around 635,000 people (those who we know about, that is) arrived to settle here. Of those 265,000 were citizens of other EU nations whilst 286,000 were citizens of countries outside the EU. (The remaining 84,000 were UK citizens returning from abroad). So of the foreign nationals entering the UK only 48% were from other EU countries.
I accept that the UK as no control over immigration by citizens of other EU countries (though, of course, most will know that I don’t exactly agree with it!). But it does have control over who enters from elsewhere and it seems it is perfectly happy to allow as much immigration from outside the EU as it has to accept from within. China (17%) India (16%) and the USA (7%) accounted for 40% of that total and it could well be that, from those countries at least, skilled or professional people with something to offer were being allowed to settle here. They, of course, are needed to fill vacancies because this country has a skills shortage caused by poor education and youngsters being ill-equipped for work. But for every one of them there is at least one from the EU who, more likely than not, is either low skilled or unskilled and who, if they secure any employment at all, probably take jobs which some of the 2m people already here without work could do but won’t. Without this the imigration situation would look far less alarming.
The whole issue of immigration is a complete and utter mess. We have to allow in people who have little to offer the UK, will probably not secure employment but even if they do will require considerable support in having their wages “topped up” (for which you can read, in many cases, doubled) by Tax Credits. Many of them earn nothing at all and end up kipping in the subways under Marble Arch. Meanwhile those from other countries who have skills and will probably be high earners have to jump through hoops to be allowed to settle here and contribute.
“We are in the EU and have signed up to abide by their membership rules, these rules include open movement and a % of outside immigration”
Leaving aside the current refugee crisis (where EU leaders are trying – mainly unsuccessfully – to “distribute" illegal immigrants around the EU) there is no stipulation under EU rules to say that migration from outside the EU must be sustained at any particular level.
“Now would you suggest that we leave the EU immediately and therefore lose the benefits that we have from being in the EU?”
Yes, absolutely. See many of my answers to find out why I believe this and also to see some comment on the alleged "advantages" (of which the above is just one of many) of our EU membership.
In 2015 around 635,000 people (those who we know about, that is) arrived to settle here. Of those 265,000 were citizens of other EU nations whilst 286,000 were citizens of countries outside the EU. (The remaining 84,000 were UK citizens returning from abroad). So of the foreign nationals entering the UK only 48% were from other EU countries.
I accept that the UK as no control over immigration by citizens of other EU countries (though, of course, most will know that I don’t exactly agree with it!). But it does have control over who enters from elsewhere and it seems it is perfectly happy to allow as much immigration from outside the EU as it has to accept from within. China (17%) India (16%) and the USA (7%) accounted for 40% of that total and it could well be that, from those countries at least, skilled or professional people with something to offer were being allowed to settle here. They, of course, are needed to fill vacancies because this country has a skills shortage caused by poor education and youngsters being ill-equipped for work. But for every one of them there is at least one from the EU who, more likely than not, is either low skilled or unskilled and who, if they secure any employment at all, probably take jobs which some of the 2m people already here without work could do but won’t. Without this the imigration situation would look far less alarming.
The whole issue of immigration is a complete and utter mess. We have to allow in people who have little to offer the UK, will probably not secure employment but even if they do will require considerable support in having their wages “topped up” (for which you can read, in many cases, doubled) by Tax Credits. Many of them earn nothing at all and end up kipping in the subways under Marble Arch. Meanwhile those from other countries who have skills and will probably be high earners have to jump through hoops to be allowed to settle here and contribute.
“We are in the EU and have signed up to abide by their membership rules, these rules include open movement and a % of outside immigration”
Leaving aside the current refugee crisis (where EU leaders are trying – mainly unsuccessfully – to “distribute" illegal immigrants around the EU) there is no stipulation under EU rules to say that migration from outside the EU must be sustained at any particular level.
“Now would you suggest that we leave the EU immediately and therefore lose the benefits that we have from being in the EU?”
Yes, absolutely. See many of my answers to find out why I believe this and also to see some comment on the alleged "advantages" (of which the above is just one of many) of our EU membership.
I thought that non-EU immigration was being cut down on, or was that an empty politician's promise ?
I'm less than impressed by the idea that immigrants are needed to fill vacancies. If there is a skills shortage then that is probably because employers are allowed to skip investment in training folk (for both themselves and the UK) and simply hiring ready trained staff from outside the UK labour market.
I also can't be swayed by the idea that unemployed people here should be able to opt not to work. If the welfare was tied to reasonable attempts to accept suitable jobs offered/available then there'd be far fewer who believed the rest of us owes them a living. That isn't to say I don't realise folk can get into unfortunate mental states, and may need help to give it a try to discover it's worth while.
I'm less than impressed by the idea that immigrants are needed to fill vacancies. If there is a skills shortage then that is probably because employers are allowed to skip investment in training folk (for both themselves and the UK) and simply hiring ready trained staff from outside the UK labour market.
I also can't be swayed by the idea that unemployed people here should be able to opt not to work. If the welfare was tied to reasonable attempts to accept suitable jobs offered/available then there'd be far fewer who believed the rest of us owes them a living. That isn't to say I don't realise folk can get into unfortunate mental states, and may need help to give it a try to discover it's worth while.
Anotheroldgit as requested
1. Low prices of goods – there exists a ‘Single Market’ for all member countries wherein products are low-priced and there are no charges when it comes to custom tax; custom tax is usually charged when goods are transported or sold between states/countries but this is not applied among member countries
2. Citizens are free to move from one member country to another – citizens can freely travel, study, work, or live in any European country of their choice
3. More jobs are generated – more or less than 3.5 million jobs have been generated over the years
4. Development of deprived regions – some member countries of the EU are economically deprived and through the ‘European Structural Funds’, deprived regions are developed
5. Louder voice – the EU is able to ensure that all their concerns are taken seriously and heard internationally since it speaks in behalf of millions of people
6. Workers are protected – this is made possible through the European Working Time Directive; the directive includes regulations regarding holidays, working hours, breaks, etc.
7. Grants for farmers
8. Human Rights
1. Low prices of goods – there exists a ‘Single Market’ for all member countries wherein products are low-priced and there are no charges when it comes to custom tax; custom tax is usually charged when goods are transported or sold between states/countries but this is not applied among member countries
2. Citizens are free to move from one member country to another – citizens can freely travel, study, work, or live in any European country of their choice
3. More jobs are generated – more or less than 3.5 million jobs have been generated over the years
4. Development of deprived regions – some member countries of the EU are economically deprived and through the ‘European Structural Funds’, deprived regions are developed
5. Louder voice – the EU is able to ensure that all their concerns are taken seriously and heard internationally since it speaks in behalf of millions of people
6. Workers are protected – this is made possible through the European Working Time Directive; the directive includes regulations regarding holidays, working hours, breaks, etc.
7. Grants for farmers
8. Human Rights
being in Europe means.
\\ More jobs are generated – more or less than 3.5 million jobs have been generated over the years//
Err, where exactly in the UK were these jobs created, there are 2.34M unemployed in the uk, so by your figures there must have been 5.8M unemployed.
\\Citizens are free to move from one member country to another – citizens can freely travel, study, work, or live in any European country of their choice.//
So the whole of Poland, if they wish could come to the U.K, and as most of Europe speak English they are in a much better position than us as we would have to lean any number of half a dozen languages to work abroad.
\\Grants for farmers//
I can tell you from experience that French farmers get a much better deal than our farmers.
\\Human Rights//
Lol.
Dave.
\\ More jobs are generated – more or less than 3.5 million jobs have been generated over the years//
Err, where exactly in the UK were these jobs created, there are 2.34M unemployed in the uk, so by your figures there must have been 5.8M unemployed.
\\Citizens are free to move from one member country to another – citizens can freely travel, study, work, or live in any European country of their choice.//
So the whole of Poland, if they wish could come to the U.K, and as most of Europe speak English they are in a much better position than us as we would have to lean any number of half a dozen languages to work abroad.
\\Grants for farmers//
I can tell you from experience that French farmers get a much better deal than our farmers.
\\Human Rights//
Lol.
Dave.
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