Nothing There To Discourage Those From Voting Out.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3427892/Theresa-demands-tougher-rules-migrants-Boris-Johnson-warns-needs-hours-PM-unveils-deal-Brussels.html

/// The Prime Minister today said he could 'hand on heart' tell voters they could get the 'best of both worlds' by staying in the EU on new terms of membership. ///

"Hand on heart" eh? That's enough for me to vote out, what about you others?

[agchristie]

I'm more worried about the other phrase. What is his interpretation of the '
best of both worlds'??

[anotheoldgit]

agchristie

His World, and the EU World.

[jim360]

On the face of it, then, Cameron has got as much as he could have, which was nothing. So the question could just as well have been asked last year whether or not people wanted to stay in.

Although that said ironically this probably suits "in" voters better as well (at least some "in" voters) -- I wasn't that keen on the proposal to switch to an "in, but basically out really" relationship with the EU as I think that entirely misses the point of the institution anyway. So -- I don't know, I'll still think about it a bit, but I do feel a little pleased at first glance that Cameron's got pretty much exactly nothing out of his much-feted renegotiation.

[Kathyan]

It doesn't matter what deals Cameron gets nothing will change my mind. I want out, in fact I never wanted in! Why do the politicians always think they know better than us?

[ToraToraTora]

I'm still voting out. Nowt to convince me otherwise.

[Dodger666]

I don't care what "deal" Dave comes up with I'm voting out too.

[bazwillrun]

This deal and all others is irelevant, this is just smokescreens and mirrors, everybody involved is just playing the game....

the eussr has but one aim and that is an empire, total control of the nations it takes over, yes total control, laws , government,military, finance, borders etc etc , the whole enchilada !!!l...it knows anything else is just not part of the plan...

Its very simple,you either want to lose your country and become just a province in the new empire, forth reich, superstate, whatever you want to call it or you dont

[jim360]

I have to say that I can't really see the difference between an island nation whose government does not typically represent its people in any real sense of proportion, and a continental nation whose government doesn't really represent its population in any real sense of proportion. Or, alternatively, I can't see the difference between my voice being lost in a crowd of about 70 million people and being lost in a crowd of 700 million or so. It's only a factor of ten reduction from already basically no voice at all.

The only way I'd get everything I'd wanted is if I was the only person I had to argue with (and, probably, not even then if it came to that). All of this "losing control over our own affairs" stuff is really rather a lot of guff in many ways. I don't have any control over them now, at least politically, with a Tory Government mostly in charge of the UK and an SNP government mostly in Charge of Scotland.

[ToraToraTora]

it'll be a neverendum anyway, even if we do vote out. Our gutless popinjay politicians on all sides love the EU because it puts the icing on their treacherous careers. They need a gravy train to retire too. I notice that the EU philes on here have given up explaining the good things about the EU. It seems even they have lost faith.

[Baldric]

Out and asap please.

[youngmafbog]

Well yes Baz it pretty well is that and to be honest if we vote in then we should campaign for total integration ASAP as this is the only way the EU will work.

Personally I'm out. I think giving our Government back their powers will wake them up since they will no longer have the retirement gravy train occupying their minds.

[EDDIE51]

To put the other side of the case.
I want IN and no matter what the Prime Minister says.
He has achieved NOTHING , exactly as I knew he would, but there is no way I will change my view.

[bazwillrun]

In the US of A the individual states have more control over their governance than we would have under the eussr jackboots, we'd be better of aligning with the septics and becoming a state.

Plus theres less axes to grind, unlike the history of the european nations....and all its now dead empires...

[whiskeryron]

I wouldn't trust DC any further than I could throw him. When we do get a referendum be very aware that it will probably be worded in such a way that which ever way the vote goes we will remain attached to the EU. I want Great Britain back in control of our own affairs with if necessary bananas that are all shapes without dictation from Brussels. I have said so many times on this forum both France & Germany could not have their way with us in the past so got together in an alliance to get us to toe their line & as far as I am concerned so far they seem to be winning. Let us be done with this shambles asap.

[TWR]

Get out and blow the Free Entrance to Britain Tunnel up.

[ToraToraTora]

here's the slip Ron: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12122349/This-is-what-the-ballot-paper-for-the-EU-referendum-vote-will-look-like.html

[tonyav]

Don't trust the man, so it's an out vote from me.

[derekpara]

I agree, Tony.
Remember his 'No ifs or buts' lie ? I'm out too.

[tonyav]

Yes I remember it, derek.

I also remember politicians from both sides of the house in 1975 ( referendum ) telling us all what a good thing it will be for us all to be part of the 'Common Market'. Might have been for them !, they must have foreseen the 'Gravy Train'. I cannot think of one thing that has been an advantage to me personally being in the EEC or whatever it's called these days.
I voted out then and I shall vote out this time to.

[DaisyNonna]

Out