Right Wing Fascists - Liverpool

[agchristie]

Oh dear! It would have nothing to do with the much larger contingent of counter-protestors would it?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/648058/Liverpool-standstill-right-wing-demonstration

[agchristie]

vetuste - it always amazes me how worked up the lefties get over the right wing 'threat'. We have seen counter-demonstrators easily outnumber them. A disproportionate response.

How do they perceive the Islamic threat? Is it short-sightedness or pure blindness?

[Togo]

//The Infidels initially gathered in the Crown Hotel on Lime Street after 1pm, with anti-fascist protestors surrounding the pub.//

It started here it would seem. Although both mobs are to be condemned, as yet only one is. Are 'Fascist like' anti Fascists acceptable then?

[Gromit]

What do these BNP, EDL Pediga, Indidel protest achieve? - Nothing.

They cost hundreds of millions of pounds to police which could be used to fight real crime.

Football and Rugby clubs have to pay a fee toward policing when they play matches. These extremist groups should also have to pay towards policing their 'marches' (usually drunken staggers). As it is, we the taxpayer are being fleeced to keep these second hand football hooligans safe on their awayday pub crawls.

[Peter Pedant]

honestly there have been rougher nights after a nights drinking in Manchester

it all looks rather girlie to me

[vetuste_ennemi]

Good evening, Gromit.

Do you agree with Mikey's assessment of the "fascist" threat?

[agchristie]

vetuste - there is a large echo on this thread ;)

[vetuste_ennemi]

No bite - not even a nibble. Am I using the wrong bait, Ag?

[agchristie]

Could try a different angle

:)

[naomi24]

As far as I can see there are three questions here that remain unanswered.

To Mikey. Given the choice of having to support EDL, BNP, or Radical Islam which would you choose?

To andy-hughes, Do you agree with Mikey's assessment of the "fascist" threat?

To Gromit, Do you agree with Mikey's assessment of the "fascist" threat?

Any chance chaps?

[anotheoldgit]

It is the Left who are the fascists approx 30 Far-Right protesters decided to use their democratic right to free speech, but the Left don't like that so they sent 500 of their bully boys to disrupt matters.

I wonder how many pro-Trident persons where sent along to disrupt the anti-Trident protest in London yesterday?

And I wonder how much that protest cost to police?

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// What do these BNP, EDL Pediga, Indidel protest achieve? - Nothing. ///

And how would you know that, the Pediga message seems to be getting a great deal of Europe listening.

Will you answer the question :

Given the choice of having to support the EDL, Pediga or Radical Islam which would you choose?

[agchristie]

In Mikey's case he earlier stated:

//Well, at least you have been honest to admit I suppose.

I'm afraid I can't add anything to what I have already said.//

Suggests to me that he feels unable to contribute further.

1 down 2 to go....

[retrocop]

ag
I am still awaiting a reply from a question I put to Gromit about 2 years ago.:-) I wonder if it rings any bells with him as strangely it was about his grumbles about the local village campanology arrangements every Sunday. :-))

[agchristie]

Retrocop - hells bells!! ;)

[Marshwarble]

Some of the so-called experts round here need a politics lesson.
You can either be a right wing liberalist (or something synonymous) or a far right fascist. You can't be both. There are far left fascists too, obviously.

[agchristie]

Regarding the question of the lack of influence that a group like Pegida has in the UK alone, would anyone say UKIP has a similar lack of influence, as after all they only have 1 MP?

My point is, how exactly do you measure influence?

[Zacs-Master]

By the amount of political power that organisation wields.

[naomi24]

ag, //In Mikey's case he earlier stated:

//Well, at least you have been honest to admit I suppose.

I'm afraid I can't add anything to what I have already said.//

Ah, yes. He ducked the question.

[naomi24]

//By the amount of political power that organisation wields. //

I don't think that's true. Ukip influenced 4 million voters at the last election.

[andy-hughes]

vetuste - //Good evening, Andy.

Do you agree with Mikey's assessment of the "fascist" threat? //

Good afternoon vetuste

Apologies for the delay in my response – I did post my answer last night, and then closed down, so I have only just discovered that it was not uploaded correctly onto the thread.

So – to address your question – I think that I part company from Mikey in terms of the scale and overall impact of the fascist threat as it stands.

My position on organisations such as the EDL, the BNP, the Klan, and so on, is that they provide a home for inadequate people who lack a sense of security, and badly feel a need to belong to something.

If the organisation has a quasi-military structure, with ranks, and if possible, a uniform, then so much the better.

A fundamental requirement is the feeling of bonding, and this is furnished by the belief that the organisation fights against something undesirable, which is universally accepted by the organisation as a serious threat, but seen by the rest of society as little or no real threat at all.

So, the notion of being a small band of like-minded individuals, trying to save society from the threat it refuses to acknowledge, gives ready-made excuses for meetings, marches, communications, and plenty of self-righteous anger and shouting in public.

Unfortunately these organisations are tailor-made for the outsiders who revel in the mayhem and violence, and care little for the ethos of the organisation, be it right or wrong in its approach.

My perception is that all these ‘fascist’ organisations achieve fare more media coverage than their either merit or deserve. It is utterly disproportionate to their value, or effect on society as a whole, since they are largely highly vocal, but very small units of people who, in a different strata of society, would be presenting coups of the local golf club committee, or running the local car club with an iron fist and an over-inflated sense of value and importance.

My wish is that the media gave extreme groups of either political persuasion the coverage and attention the really actually deserve, which is none at all, and then they could stop bothering the rest of us with their pointless marches and their nasty skirmishes, and leave the police service to be getting on with something of greater benefit to the society that funds it.