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I wager that most are thinking exactly what Kate Hopkins has dared to say, but have been frightened in case they are accused of siding with a 'paedophile' or showing no sympathy for a 'child's' suffering etc etc.
Please don't turn this thread into a anti-Kate Hopkins or even anti-AOG, just comment on the case itself.
Yes we all know that he committed a UK criminal act, but is the media blowing this case out of all proportion?
I wager that most are thinking exactly what Kate Hopkins has dared to say, but have been frightened in case they are accused of siding with a 'paedophile' or showing no sympathy for a 'child's' suffering etc etc.
Please don't turn this thread into a anti-Kate Hopkins or even anti-AOG, just comment on the case itself.
Yes we all know that he committed a UK criminal act, but is the media blowing this case out of all proportion?
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Yes.......he committed a crime.
Does the girl have to accept some responsibility.?......of course she does.
Is he a paedophile.?..............not in my book.
Yes the media is blowing out of all proportion because hes is a "celebrity footballer"
How many girls under the age of 16 years are having sexual relationships...........tens of thousands in the UK....but not with celebrities.
Does the girl have to accept some responsibility.?......of course she does.
Is he a paedophile.?..............not in my book.
Yes the media is blowing out of all proportion because hes is a "celebrity footballer"
How many girls under the age of 16 years are having sexual relationships...........tens of thousands in the UK....but not with celebrities.
> I wager that most are thinking exactly what Kate Hopkins has dared to say,
Well, I would not be in the 'most' camp. Johnson pleaded guilty to grooming the girl and the jury believed her version of events by 10-2 majority. She was not present in court - I suppose she backs Johnson when the judge rebuked him at one point?
Katie is entitled to her beliefs but I do not agree with her.
As to the media in general they seem to be giving as much weight to what Sunderland FC knew as the trial itself!
Well, I would not be in the 'most' camp. Johnson pleaded guilty to grooming the girl and the jury believed her version of events by 10-2 majority. She was not present in court - I suppose she backs Johnson when the judge rebuked him at one point?
Katie is entitled to her beliefs but I do not agree with her.
As to the media in general they seem to be giving as much weight to what Sunderland FC knew as the trial itself!
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AOG > Don't you believe that the girl carried out a very large proportion of the 'grooming'?
The victim was not the one on trial. Johnson was guilty of three of the four offences and deserves to be imprisoned. The judge knows the law better than any of us and will sentence accordingly.
To call her a *** as Hopkins has is shameful.
The victim was not the one on trial. Johnson was guilty of three of the four offences and deserves to be imprisoned. The judge knows the law better than any of us and will sentence accordingly.
To call her a *** as Hopkins has is shameful.
How many of you considered yourself to be a child at the age of 15yrs? When I was 15 I was working full time and going out with boys slightly older than me and probably doing a bit of fumbling.I don't think that Adam Johnson would have wanted to know this girl if she actually looked like a child so in that respect I wouldn't say he was a paedophile. Also, I thought it was only a crime if you had intercourse with someone under 15 which I don't believe they did. I think it's a way of getting money from this, and although I don't condone what he did, I don't think it should come with a prison sentence.
Paedophiles are specifically those attracted to prepubescent children, so anyway the label is incorrect despite its current popular usage.
But that said, the rest of the article is typical of this sort of attitude, that conflates "knew what she was doing" with being somehow responsible for not only her actions, but his as well. What he was doing with her was wrong, and he knew it, or should have known it, and been responsible for stopping rather than egging her on.
But quite apart from that, there's the misguided view of nature of the girl's responsibility. She was fifteen, young, naive, sexually charged presumably, egged on by her friends, and in a cultural setting where such behaviour was normalised. In what meaningful sense under those circumstances is she really in control of the situation? It doesn't make sense at all.
Yes, there is a problem where young girls in particular could be said to "throw themselves" at the rich and famous. Yes, it has to be acknowledged. No, it doesn't have to be blamed on the girls themselves. Without falling back on that hackneyed phrase, "society is to blame", what is true is that blaming and shaming the girl here solves nothing. Far better to ask how she ended up in that situation in the first place. And what the hell Adam Johnson was thinking. To be fair to Katie Hopkins, she doesn't exactly let Johnson off the hook in her article either.
But that said, the rest of the article is typical of this sort of attitude, that conflates "knew what she was doing" with being somehow responsible for not only her actions, but his as well. What he was doing with her was wrong, and he knew it, or should have known it, and been responsible for stopping rather than egging her on.
But quite apart from that, there's the misguided view of nature of the girl's responsibility. She was fifteen, young, naive, sexually charged presumably, egged on by her friends, and in a cultural setting where such behaviour was normalised. In what meaningful sense under those circumstances is she really in control of the situation? It doesn't make sense at all.
Yes, there is a problem where young girls in particular could be said to "throw themselves" at the rich and famous. Yes, it has to be acknowledged. No, it doesn't have to be blamed on the girls themselves. Without falling back on that hackneyed phrase, "society is to blame", what is true is that blaming and shaming the girl here solves nothing. Far better to ask how she ended up in that situation in the first place. And what the hell Adam Johnson was thinking. To be fair to Katie Hopkins, she doesn't exactly let Johnson off the hook in her article either.
The girl was more than likely a willing partner until he decided not to see her any more. Yes she's 15 , a 15 year old that followed this footballer around from game to game with her friends, probably competing between themselves to see who could get a 'selfie' or a peck on the cheek. Yes he took advantage -that is his crime -taking advantage of a young person -he did not rape her and its likely she got into the car with him because she wanted to. No, he is not a pedophile in any sense of the word and should not be punished as one. If every 15 year old that has given a BJ went to the police the prisons would be even more overflowing than they already are. To me this was a case of 'a girl scorned' . Yes he's a creep but does not deserve the custodial sentence he will most likely get. It will serve no purpose what so ever as I doubt he will go near young girls again.
From NewsThump:
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A victim of grooming and child abuse was basically gagging for it, according to some appalling human beings.
Social media users ... took to their keyboards to defend fully-grown man and professional football player, Adam Johnson, who was clearly trapped in the child’s cunning web of sex and deceit.
“Yep, her fault,” concluded Simon Williams.
“I mean, yes, he knew she was fifteen and yes he drove his car to go and meet her, and no, he didn’t stop the whole thing when he found out she was fifteen. But that’s not the point. This infatuated girl who hasn’t finished growing up yet has some serious explaining to do, if you ask me, which nobody is, for some reason. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not victim-blaming here. I’m just saying it’s completely her fault."
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A victim of grooming and child abuse was basically gagging for it, according to some appalling human beings.
Social media users ... took to their keyboards to defend fully-grown man and professional football player, Adam Johnson, who was clearly trapped in the child’s cunning web of sex and deceit.
“Yep, her fault,” concluded Simon Williams.
“I mean, yes, he knew she was fifteen and yes he drove his car to go and meet her, and no, he didn’t stop the whole thing when he found out she was fifteen. But that’s not the point. This infatuated girl who hasn’t finished growing up yet has some serious explaining to do, if you ask me, which nobody is, for some reason. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not victim-blaming here. I’m just saying it’s completely her fault."
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agchristie, I didn't mean the girl, I was thinking perhaps her father.
///Funnily enough, daddy darling wasn't bothered about his daughter’s 'attacker' until she had let things get out of hand. She got drunk and gossiped to the wrong people. (Remind me of the legal drinking age again?) Adam stood her up, her name was dirt at school, and suddenly she needed an out.///
///Funnily enough, daddy darling wasn't bothered about his daughter’s 'attacker' until she had let things get out of hand. She got drunk and gossiped to the wrong people. (Remind me of the legal drinking age again?) Adam stood her up, her name was dirt at school, and suddenly she needed an out.///
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