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Would The Prospect Of Turkey's Application For Eu Membership Being Accelerated Sway Referendum Voters?
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If I recall correctly, there was talk that Europe was trying to get Britain to bring our benefit payouts down to the levels that, for example, Germany paid. The grand project to get people desperate to work for low, low wages (this was slightly before the boom in outsourcing to China, or maybe in response to the early signs of it).
Britain said no; surefire vote-loser. Was that Blair/Brown? I forget. Svejk posted a story about that latest book about Blair and the flood dates back to his first and second terms.
Germany was having riots about Turkish immigrants ~10 years ago, so it's a long-standing prop of cheap production there. If a Beemer costs nearly the same as a Ford, what are easily-impressed people going to buy?
Job availability is still finite and migrants will shuffle home when their dreams of wealth get shattered, in slave-camp Europe. So "the whole of Turkey" will not be coming here.
Pity my thread about sewage plants didn't generate much interest, because that's going to be the great smell of Merkel's EU, before long.
Infrastructure can't migrate.
Britain said no; surefire vote-loser. Was that Blair/Brown? I forget. Svejk posted a story about that latest book about Blair and the flood dates back to his first and second terms.
Germany was having riots about Turkish immigrants ~10 years ago, so it's a long-standing prop of cheap production there. If a Beemer costs nearly the same as a Ford, what are easily-impressed people going to buy?
Job availability is still finite and migrants will shuffle home when their dreams of wealth get shattered, in slave-camp Europe. So "the whole of Turkey" will not be coming here.
Pity my thread about sewage plants didn't generate much interest, because that's going to be the great smell of Merkel's EU, before long.
Infrastructure can't migrate.
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I don't think a vote for in or out of the EU will make a blind bit of difference to us. We will still get clobbered.
It has been said that we cannot leave without the agreement of all the other member states and they could, and probably would, haggle around for many years.
While they are doing that they will ensure we pay a high price for the audacity to not want to be in the political club and will, by hook or by crook, make sure we shoulder what will eventually be more than our fair share of refugees. We will probably end up with all the failed as seekers just for good measure.
Not a blind bit we can do about it I'm afraid but whoever said life was fair?
It has been said that we cannot leave without the agreement of all the other member states and they could, and probably would, haggle around for many years.
While they are doing that they will ensure we pay a high price for the audacity to not want to be in the political club and will, by hook or by crook, make sure we shoulder what will eventually be more than our fair share of refugees. We will probably end up with all the failed as seekers just for good measure.
Not a blind bit we can do about it I'm afraid but whoever said life was fair?
Sandy, to answer your question.
I think it actually may persuade some of the waverers to vote out. Turkey is a bit of a problem and not just because of the immigration issue. Not often I will say something like this but their human rights and freedom of speech leaves a lot to be desired.
However, we could use TTT's suggestion of outsourcing our jails to Turkey.
I think it actually may persuade some of the waverers to vote out. Turkey is a bit of a problem and not just because of the immigration issue. Not often I will say something like this but their human rights and freedom of speech leaves a lot to be desired.
However, we could use TTT's suggestion of outsourcing our jails to Turkey.
I agree to just stop paying. If I don't pay my membership of the am dram group I belong to I am not allowed to go. Simples.
If we gave a months notice to Ms Merkel then stopped the direct debit what could they do? Make us renegotiate trade deals that we will have to do anyway!!
I should think all the stuff we get from Europe we could get elsewhere anyway. The rest of the world is a pretty big place and trade will continue. There may be a couple of hiccups along the way but it will continue.
If we gave a months notice to Ms Merkel then stopped the direct debit what could they do? Make us renegotiate trade deals that we will have to do anyway!!
I should think all the stuff we get from Europe we could get elsewhere anyway. The rest of the world is a pretty big place and trade will continue. There may be a couple of hiccups along the way but it will continue.
//It'd also make agreeing trading deals more protracted and difficult//
Fine, trade with the rest of the World.
Remember we import from the EU more than we export, in a tit for tat they are the losers and it would have a massive impact if we are no longer funding the EU.
Without our cash the EU will be forced to trade more openly with the rest of the World or go bankrupt.
Fine, trade with the rest of the World.
Remember we import from the EU more than we export, in a tit for tat they are the losers and it would have a massive impact if we are no longer funding the EU.
Without our cash the EU will be forced to trade more openly with the rest of the World or go bankrupt.
According to Merkel/Eurospeak we are now talking about "speeding up" the process, as is it was an accepted fact that this Muslim, non-democratic country, which is outside the recognized boundaries of Europe and which borders on Iran, Iraq and Syria, and shouldn't even be considered as a suitable member state.
If you want to be part of that appalling scenario, vote 'in'.
If you want to be part of that appalling scenario, vote 'in'.
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