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TTT - // ... please comfort me with your reasoning! // I have always believed that political opinion is far less to do with facts, and far more to do with perceptions - as I have outlined on previous EU threads. The 'average' voter believes that our links to the EU create two major problems for the UK population - an increasingly out of control migration problem,...
12:52 Tue 15th Mar 2016
sp1814

/// AOG - I suggest you're being an agenda bender again here. ///

Then please explain to us all, why the different approach, why is one nationality protected from what is deemed by some as offensive, yet another is not protected from deliberate offence?
AOG

Well you tell me.

You yourself stated on these pages how offensive you find the term 'Brit'. I suggest you're in as good a position as any to explain.
well I thought firelogs rhymed with worker-on-a-govt-station.
By golly (!) pun intended

AOG - are you really asking why some words become offensive and some dont ?
Oh sp I have to tell ya
in 1980 I was in canada and explained my ignorance over something by saying
'well you know I am a Brit...' and I got the reply : " O I thought you were English " tger daaah !
sp1814

/// Well you tell me. ///

Can't get out that easy, it was I who asked first.

/// You yourself stated on these pages how offensive you find the term 'Brit'. ///

That may well be, but they haven't made the term, offensive nationwide.
But as someone who takes offence at the term Brit, surely you already know the answer?

But I will answer your question.

Some words are offensive and some are not, and no-one is in charge of which become offensive and which do not. It's a collective decision. For example, no-one person or group of people decided which words would be swear words and which wouldn't. It happens organically over time.

Perhaps ultimately the answer is this - certain groups co-opted racial slurs to such an extent that they will always have an extremely negative association.

I'd wager that just about everyone understand this.
The opinions of populations do not matter one iota in terms of the effects of the UK leaving the EU - or not - it is down to the trading companies that do business with the UK.

I have opined many times that membership of a trade organisation need not be a help, or hindrance in terms of trade, the question is the volume, and the price, it all begins and ends there.

If our prices and ability to supply customers are competitive enough, then the UK is in business, and that applies whether we are in the EU or the Micky Mouse Club.

The agendas of politicians with personal and financial interests in trade agreements should not influence the referendum in the slightest.

Cameron has painted himself into a corner and is now suffering the double hubris of having over-estimated his ability to chuck his weight about in the EU and be taken notice of, and his personal popularity and belief that the UK electorate take him seriously and believe him when he scare-mongers.

We are heading out of the EU - and not before time.
sp1814 - //Perhaps ultimately the answer is this - certain groups co-opted racial slurs to such an extent that they will always have an extremely negative association.

I'd wager that just about everyone understand this. //

I certainly do.
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"We are heading out of the EU - and not before time. " - really Andy, you think so? I hope so but I don't think we will, neither do the bookies and they are usually right so please comfort me with your reasoning!
TTT - // ... please comfort me with your reasoning! //

I have always believed that political opinion is far less to do with facts, and far more to do with perceptions - as I have outlined on previous EU threads.

The 'average' voter believes that our links to the EU create two major problems for the UK population - an increasingly out of control migration problem, and the enforcement of EU beaurrocracy from unelected Brussels potentates.

Those two factors alone outweigh any of the minutia of the arguments by Mr Cameron and friends about trading pluses and minuses, or the notion of his 'deal' which I don't think even he believes any more.

It is my belief that these two factors will sweep the UK out of the EU - and I hope I am right.
TTT

I would be stunned if the country voted to remain in.

Are the bookies really predicting this?
I agree with andy-hughes here. I think the vote is going to be based on emotion and perception rather than cold hard facts, because at the end of the day, this is a unique situation. No country has ever left the EU, so no-one knows what the impact will be.
In conversation with family and friends, the general consensus is that for far too long the emphasis has been on 'UK PLC' where business/finance have had the whip-hand and driving us to stay in the EU and integrate further with their only consideration being their own profit and loss sheets.
We are so much more than simply a 'business' and need to retain the sovereignty we have and claw back that which we have relinquished.
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well SP/AH I hope you are correct, sorry I may have mis read the bookies but you have comforted me!
Crikey, this turned out to be one of the most rational and un-agressive threads I've ever seen on here, despite a shaky start. Good choice for BA.
Oh, I thought the usual suspects were snapping at each other in the usual way.
I thought the discussion on how taboo words arise, depressing in the extreme
I suspect that some Europeans saying they want us to vote leave wouldn't be doing it because they dislike us.

They might be saying it because they dislike the EU, and want to see it getting a good kicking.

Let's say the Danes were having a similar referendum, and someone asked what you want them to vote, how would you answer?
Hopkirk, :-)
I admit to being mystified by the bookies. I could understand shorter odds for staying in but odds-on?

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