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mikey4444 | 11:49 Mon 21st Mar 2016 | News
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35860607

Not an unexpected result of course.
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Rather than the CPS being inept, it is more likely that they couldn't be sure of convincing the Jury of the 'intent to murder' which if they had proceeded with in a sole Murder charge could have resulted in Williams being found Not Guilty.
12:34 Mon 21st Mar 2016
Manslaughter, he seems to have got off lightly.
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Yes Sandy....I noticed that. Perhaps NJ could explain the law here.
Soft Justice System again,will probably get 5-7 years,out in 3. Different Case,I know,but let us see how long ex-Sunderland Footballer Adam Johnson gets,don't see that he killed anybody,bet he gets the same sentence.
20 years!

Cop killers always get longer sentences
I couldn't believe he only got manslaughter, either.


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/pc-dave-phillips-two-court-10218906

///Clayton Ronald Williams, 18, of Wheatland Lane in Wallasey, is charged with the murder of PC Dave Phillips, attempted section 18 wounding against PC Birkett, burglary and aggravated unauthorised taking of a motor vehicle.///
No doubt the CPS ( Criminal Protection Service) had a say in that. Usual plea bargaining because they are too inept to offer the evidence for murder.
Rather than the CPS being inept, it is more likely that they couldn't be sure of convincing the Jury of the 'intent to murder' which if they had proceeded with in a sole Murder charge could have resulted in Williams being found Not Guilty.
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20 years apparently....that is as long as I expected.

My link above now updated.
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I think Jack has it right above....sounds the most plausible.
Delighted to admit I was wrong earlier,seems like common sense has prevailed at last.
Yes mikey, re the Murder vs Manslaughter debate, jack has it spot on.

There has to be intent to kill (or at least intent to inflict GBH which led to death). It used to be common practice where intent was the issue for juries to be offered alternative verdicts, leaving it for them to decide the issue which rests on a matter of fact.
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Makes sense NJ !
Mikey > Not an unexpected result of course.

You can never be too sure. There have been folk acquitted in cases where DNA belonging to the Defendant and the chances are that it belonged to someone else is over a billion to one.

Cases have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. The charge of murder was one where the intent was not thought sufficient enough.

The lad was not guilty of another charge, was that not unexpected?
Similar to New Judge's point, I think sometimes the CPS charges someone with multiple, similar crimes. It is then up to the judge to explain these definitions to the jury and will often direct them that insufficient proof has been offered for there to be a conviction on this/that particular charge.
Sometimes that charge is withdrawn by the CPS during the trial, or in Scotland, a verdict of Not Proven is returned (on that charge).
Just wait for the appeal - funded by us, followed by the right-on hand wringing liberal left who will campaign for an early release.

Bet he doesn't even do 10 years.

Life is becoming cheap in the UK.
Un(%^*&ing) believable, the sub human piece of excrement will out in 5 probably sooner. Once some oooman rites shower has used public money to line their pockets to get him off after being tearful in his flowery dell. Deserves a bullet through his empty loaf in my opinion. Why can't we punish criminal lowlives any more?
cannot understand why the authorities have bothered banning him from driving for life - as if that's going to stop him driving as soon as he's released.......
Exactly mushroom, he'll be behind the wheel of a car as soon as he can !
So they can nick if he does? not too tricky is it?

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