250 Business Leaders Back Brexit

[ChillDoubt]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35901811

Some quite prominent ones on that list.

[dannyk13]

The more the merrier IMO.

[jim360]

I expect there's a business case either way. Still, at least we know that these business leaders are backing this position for entirely honest reasons, whereas obviously anyone arguing the case for remaining in the EU has a hidden agenda or is doing so only for cynical reasons of selfish interest.

[mushroom25]

//whereas obviously....//

are you playing your irony card there Jim? it's not entirely obvious to me that stay-in-ers are entirely selfish.....

[jim360]

Yeah it's the irony card. I can understand that people arguing for one position may want to attack the legitimacy of any opposing views, but it's still frustrating that people can't accept that sometimes the other side might have a point.

[naomi24]

^Doesn't that work both ways?

[jim360]

Yes, sure it does. .

[ChillDoubt]

Everyone has a right to their opinion and point Jim. I'm of the opinion that a project now in its 4th decade doesn't offer the same benefits as it did when it was first presented as the Common Market, way back when, so it's time to have a look at the alternatives.

[ToraToraTora]

I might believe they have a point jim if one day some one will tell me an advantage of being in the EU that is not available outside it.

[jim360]

It's quite a restrictive condition, that. I don't think that many people who are arguing for staying in the EU -- apart from the "scaremongers", and there are far too many of those really -- that would suggest that it is absolutely vital for anything in particular, and that there is no other way of achieving the same thing. The main argument is, or at least ought to be, that certain things (eg coherent international policies on non-local issues) are easier within the EU than they would be outside it.

[ToraToraTora]

agreements and cooperation are all still available and we'd be £22bn better off.

[cassa333]

TTT, life, the Universe and everything is only possible in the EU.

If we leave the country will sink into the North Sea with only, maybe, if she can swing it, Scotland floundering around desperately trying to grab the coat tails of *** covered Europe.

[jim360]

£22 bn? I'm not sure I've seen that figure before. Is that per year?

I'm sure cooperation will still be available, but that's like trying to obtain all the benefits of club membership without paying any of the subscription fees, which is more than a little cynical.

[Gromit]

Good to know you have the Bangladeshi Caterers Association on your side.

Will that convince to vote to leave? - Nope.

[mushroom25]

rules and standards governing the rail industry are currently governed by a unified european approach - so far as the differences in the various historical infrastructures will permit, and slowly all the control systems are being standardised. should the vote be to leave, it would probably be too difficult for the UK railway administration to untangle itself from this and the european way will persist. it will probably be much the same in other industries.

[david small]

If we don't get out of the EUSSR. I for one will give up any political aspirations for the UK. I shall find a little oasis of England still existing, and dwell there keeping my head down, and my mouth shut.

[Gromit]

Presumably EuroStar (and the high speed links to it) will still go to Paris, Brussels, Madrid so the signalling would have to stay the same/compatable with it.

There is no reason the rest of the UK rail network has to change (if indeed that is what is happening now) to a European or inferior system. If an upgrade is to happen, then the best affordable system should be used, regardless of whether we are in the EU or not.

[mushroom25]

//There is no reason the rest of the UK rail network has to change (if indeed that is what is happening now) to a European or inferior system. If an upgrade is to happen, then the best affordable system should be used, regardless of whether we are in the EU or not. //

Gromit, the railway Technical Specifications for Interoperability (TSIs) are what govern rail standards in the UK, tempered by UK National Notified Technical Rules, where interoperability is not practical (for instance, the UK's loading gauge is smaller than the UIC gauge used in Europe). The TSIs mandate a signal control system known as European Rail Traffic Management System (ERTMS) on all rail routes except those where interoperable traffic wouldn't reasonably be expected to go. The trial system is in use in Wales, and the first mainline installations will be commissioned with the introduction of new trains on GWR and ECML. It is hideously expensive, in particular with regard to retro fitting trains that weren't designed for ERTMS but still have 20 years plus of serviceable life left. it will be particularly painful for freight operators who are already operating at the fiscal limit, with only a nod to the government for the operation of 60T trucks in the UK required to make railfreight uneconomic.

[webbo3]

Not a small organisation Gromit.

The BCA represents 12000 Indian restaurants and takeaways with over 80,000 employees across the UK.


Thats quite a lot of money and wages created.



Dave.

[Gromit]

Webbo3

But I am not one of them.
An association is not really a business, it is usually not for profit.
And unless the 80,000 workers have been balloted and the Association is representing that, then the claim is bogus.

Likewise, the report says someone at Tesco is signed up. That does not mean Tesco is in favour of Brexit (I assume they are not) or that that is significant because Tesco has half a million employees.

It also says many of the signatories are known UKIP or Conservative affiliates.

[Togo]

Does it point out that the rabbits in the headlights stay inners are all Communist sympathisers or left wing liberal fifth column?