Cameron's Renegotiation With Brussels

[retrocop]

Does our P.M. realise he is the laughing stock of Europe. Even Italian MEPs are saying he walked home victorious with nothing more than 'fried air'
Any of you still undecided about Brexit? This is what concessions he got from our European 'allies'!! He was hoodwinked. If they treat us with such contempt whilst we are members ,how will they treat us if we fail to leave this treacherous nest of vipers.?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3534934/Cameron-s-EU-renegotiation-deal-hammered-local-bazaar-isn-t-legally-binding-says-eurocrat.html

[dannyk13]

I wholeheartedly agree.

[youngmafbog]

no, he lost the polot quite a while back, not that he was that great in the first place.

He is slowly ripping the Tory party apart. He needs to go, and take Gideon with him.

What all of the pro bunch fail to realize is that the EU will take retribution if we stay in.

[ToraToraTora]

you mean all that guff on P2 of the leaflet? I PMSL at that too. I'm keeping the leaflet for ammo if we do stay in.

[retrocop]

TTT
We still haven't received ours yet unless the postman did us a favour and 'lost' it.

[ToraToraTora]

keep it, good ammo, I wish I still had one from the last referendum were Heath trotted out the BS. ....and before anyone reminds me, yes I do know that TGL was also conned by his rhetoric.

[bazwillrun]

" EU will take retribution if we stay in. "

theyll take the whole *** country lock stock and barrel...how much more retribution is needed ?

[youngmafbog]

Yep, that is pretty much what they will do.

Without doubt they will strip our service industry, all that keeps us afloat these days, and since no one else has a NHS that will be stopped. We will have no say whatsoever and proably be used as a dumping ground for the unwanted.

[dannyk13]

///theyll take the whole *** country lock stock and barrel...how much more retribution is needed ///
They already control us.

[bazwillrun]

*** = godd a m n ...hardly swearing is it

[ToraToraTora]

....they'll let us keep the islington coffee shops, surely!

[naomi24]

//He was hoodwinked. //

I don't believe he was hoodwinked. I think he knows he got precisely nothing. Nevertheless he is a politician who wants this country to remain in the EU so he's doing exactly what any politician in his situation would do. I have to see it for what it is. A politician trying to convince the public to see it his way. Personally, I don't.

[bazwillrun]

He wasnt hood winked at all, he knew hed get virtually nothing except a few token crumbs and thats exactly what he got..

[retrocop]

Well if Cameron wasn't deceived personally then this is the second time he has tried to deceive the electorate.
I vaguely recall there was some demand from the EU for overdue payments from the UK.
Didn't Cameron and George tell us they would sort Europe out and tell them to stuff it. They came back saying they had won a victory for the British but in reality they agreed to pay the defecit in two instalments instead of one payment and tried to keep that one under the carpet. They are attempting to delude the public and I no longer trust Cameron.

[dannyk13]

One can only hope that he sticks to his word and does not try for a third term as PM

[naomi24]

Retrocop, all politicians delude the public. It's all a matter of degree.

[retrocop]

Although I wrote hoodwinked in the title OP they are the words of Graff Lambsdorff. Thought he committed suicide after scuttling the Graf Spee !!

[retrocop]

naomi
I agree but Mr Cameron obviously couldn't negotiate his way out of a creche. He is not Tory leadership material. He is not fit to do a Gorgeous George on Maggie.!!

[dannyk13]

///Retrocop, all politicians delude the public. It's all a matter of degree.///
Naomi, that is a very jaundiced view of parliament, I'm sure that there are some honest MP's.

[naomi24]

Retrocop, // He is not Tory leadership material. //

Who is then?

dannyk13, //I'm sure that there are some honest MP's. //

Every politician, any politician, will present his cause in the most favourable light possible. You don't convince people with negativity.

[New Judge]

"Retrocop, all politicians delude the public. It's all a matter of degree."

Yes certainly the senior ones do. But usually it doesn't matter too much. 10p instead of 5p on fags, 300,000 immigrants allowed in instead of 500, that sort of thing.

This, though, is very, very different.