Should We Think Twice Before Importing Any More Foreign Trained Medics Into Our Country?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543899/72-struck-NHS-doctors-overseas-cases-include-Indian-GP-ran-immigration-scam-Malaysian-medic-secretly-filmed-female-patients.html

[ToraToraTora]

certainly a worry AOG.

[Mamyalynne]

We should be very concerned that 460 Doctors were struck off in the period 2010 - 2015 - whether trained here or abroad.

More careful checks definitely needed in this area.

[anotheoldgit]

Mamyalynne

Yes but what checks could be carried out on those involved in criminal activities, after arriving here?

[Mamyalynne]

That is for the authorities to work out, needs a better brain than mine to sort it.

If purely not allowing Doctors who were trained overseas would solve the issue and not leave us short of doctors then so be it.

[Mamyalynne]

My heart sinks whenever I read of a medical professional letting their patients down , they are in a position of trust.

[Old_Geezer]

We should not be importing hospital labour regardless. We have unemployed already here that should have been trained to do the job and not snatch other countries' pre-trained hospital staff.

[Mamyalynne]

It would definitely be good if more of the unemployed trained as doctors but we certainly can't force them can we?

[Old_Geezer]

If we can't then the unemployment/welfare system is flawed. If a job is going and someone is of sufficient intelligence to train for it refuses then help could be withdrawn. Folk need incentives.

[Baldric]

A future GP and his receptionist?

https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.M88ababf98857e18fb937ea08e12e38b6o0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=198&h=159

[Mamyalynne]

Won't train as a Doctor, we'll stop your JSA?

Not sure it will work in practice.

[Hopkirk]

Where was Harold Shipman from?

[-Talbot-]

Nottingham

[Mamyalynne]

I know two people who were patients of his and of course they weren't physically affected by his crimes it upset them both greatly to have been so close to such a monster.

[Mamyalynne]

They were patients when he worked in Todmorden.

[Old_Geezer]

So what is the present system ? One can claim to be job seeking, turn everything down, and continue to get paid ? In which case I must sign on tomorrow morning.

[Peter Pedant]

Huge amount of regulation on this one
discussed not particularly exhaustively here
[ minute knowledge of specific regulations is required which certainly wont stop AOG blaarting " why oh why do we have to put up with XYZ this week etc ? " ]

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/ChatterBank/Question1482304.html

a few years ago with the waiting list thing - locums were allowed in under special GMC regs (just come in and operate - it doesnt matter who on - you will get a a licence and accept peanuts for pay instead of a proper rate ) to clear the waiting lists but not surprisingly there were drawbacks. Putting a right knee replacement on the LHS springs to mind.

Yes I am aware of the irony of over-regulating the home grown doctors after Shipman. The current regs would not detect a Shipman since he made sure he was liked and trusted by his patients - contrasting with letting in a huge flood of unknowns because place like Chorley need A+E doctors - now !


In the sixties and seventies at least 60% of junior hospital doctors were Asian graduates ( called Indian doctors at that time even tho a lot were from Bangla desh and Pakistan ) so instead of thinking twice-
hey we have done it before !

[Mamyalynne]

Who said 'everything?' - we are talking of a career as a doctor.

[Old_Geezer]

I don't see why they'd refuse a career in medicine and accept something different. If they are on welfare permanently yet are capable of a responsible job then clearly they are not interested in contributing but wish to be just given what they need. "Everything" is implied.

[Peter Pedant]

Shipman - Hyde actually
market street - opposite the Brooke surgery but dont ask a resident where it was because they will hit you apparently

ghoulish Shipman tourism ... they say

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-10666521

None of the new much vaunted registration reforms recommended by Dame Janet ( bless ! ) expensive and useless tho they may be would detect another Shipmman because he made sure he was liked by his patients

as for using doctors' death rates as a measure ( surrogate measure ) - this that was done early on - yeah see if he is killing them then he has to fill out more death certificates see ? - and it was found that all of them yes all of the doctors had old peoples homes on their books and nothing else. So you can measure doctrs death rates but it is useless as a measure of anything besides where his patients live. In this case in a care home

this did not stop a whole raft of expensive paper filling being foisted on hospitals and doctors which had no rational basis whatsoever

this did not stop would-be regulators queuing up for their knighthoods and gongs suggesting regulatory reforms the govt wanted to put in anyway

You may wonder if detection of crime and its recording is a police matter and not a GMC regulation matter... I dont ....

[Mamyalynne]

I know people who would be woeful in the medical profession and I'm not sure we are both talking about the same thing - I didn't mention anyone on welfare permanently.

The best time to encourage enrolment into the medical professions would be at career choice levels - I don't see press ganging 30 year old redundant engineers (for example) into a role they would resent at all worthwhile.