Net Migration Explosion If We Vote Remain

[ChillDoubt]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36514849

So there it is folks. It's been spiralling out of control since it started and has continually been ignored by the Government, despite promises to the contrary.
Lots of boards, government bodies and international experts have made their predictions and projected figures about the Brexit, what do the Remainiacs have to counter this estimation?

[webbo3]

I expect the usual suspects will be along to tell us how wonderful immigration is for us and how they put in far far more than they take out etc etc.


Dave.

[Old_Geezer]

They couldn't claim to add anything at all if the welfare system identified the workshy and ensured that they made their contribution to society. Of course that'd mean forcing employers to offer attractive market rates of pay and conditions abd not short circuit the market system by getting labour from outside the country who have less and expect less.

[webbo3]

Im not JUST talking about benefits og, its the services, i saw something the paper the other day about a family of 7 from Romania, so thats 7 hospital places, 7 doctors places, 7 dentists places and 5 school places.


Dave.

[Gromit]

Net immigration will increase hugely if we vote out.

The same numbers will continue to come here, but migration of Brits to European countries will be severely curtailed. So the net figure will be far worse than it is now.

[Old_Geezer]

Benefits are subtractions. They get paid to the jobless. The claim is that immigrants pay tax, ut they don't pay more tax than were a native to take the job.

I don't believe immigration can possibly increase under Brexit. With border control there is no longer any excuse not to ensure that we don't make the overcrowding worse. It will inevitably fall. Or governments will.

[Old_Geezer]

but they don't ...

[ChillDoubt]

The same numbers will continue to come here, but migration of Brits to European countries will be severely curtailed. So the net figure will be far worse than it is now.
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How does that work then Gromit? As Farage says, potentially 506 million people presently have the choice to come here and we cannot stop them. Under a Brexit we most certainly can.

[Togo]

//Net immigration will increase hugely if we vote out.

The same numbers will continue to come here, but migration of Brits to European countries will be severely curtailed. So the net figure will be far worse than it is now. //

I really don't think that I have ever read such guff regarding the migrant issue even from the AB Euromaniacs. They will be announcing the existence of Extra Terrestrial aliens before you know it and expecting us all to worship them. Probably just before the referendum booths open, with a message that the ETs support the EUSSR pyramid scheme.

[jourdain2]

Off-thread - I'm certain that I heard a German spokesman saying this morning that if we vote 'Leave' then the EU could unravel and the whole of Western Civilisation could collapse. Golly - gosh! I feel really empowered.

[Orderlimit]

^ Here you go Jourdain2

Brexit could destroy Western political civilisation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36515680

[jourdain2]

It's a bit of an 'Oops, sorry!' if we vote leave then, Orderlimit. :(

[Gromit]

In theory 500 million people can come here. But they don't.

More than half the 500,000 that do come are from outside the EU.

Immigrants fall into 2 categories, 1. Professionals with skills we do not have, and 2. Low paid workers prepared to do crap jobs that Cannot be filled by British people. After Brexit we will still need skilled professionals, and industry will still want the low paid workers.
European foeign workers will still be able to come here after Brexit, they will just have to fill in more forms. But they will still come.
Meanwhile Brits, because of the hassle of being non Europeans, will not go to live in Spain, France, Portugal in the same numbers, and emmigration will fall.
Vote Brexit and net immigration will NOT fall.

[Orderlimit]

The end is near J2 ;)

[Togo]

//More than half the 500,000 that do come are from outside the EU. //

So that is 250,000 that may not come, and 250,000 that we can send back to where they come from once the perfidious you man rites block is removed. Plus all the EU maniacs will move to............EUSSR wont they? Result.

[Gromit]

Wake up. Stop believing the UKIP propaganda.

We will still need foreign doctors, IT professionals, engineers. They mainly come from outside the EU. There is nothing to stop us barring them now except we would be worse off without them.
If we brexitted we could stop workers coming from Europe, but food prices would vastly increase, and British manufactured goods would cost more and harm exports.
Make the British work shy scum to the jobs is often the cry, but they won't do it.

I am considering voting out, but not to stop immigration. If you are voting Brexit to curb immigration you are wasting your vote.

[naomi24]

Gromit, //I am considering voting out..//

Why?

[Gromit]

The Conservative 2015 Election Manifesto promised to leave the European Human Rights Convention and replace it with a British Bill of Rights instead. Seems that has been quietly forgotten.

[Togo]

//We will still need foreign doctors, IT professionals, engineers.//

Because the grammar schools were all scrapped in the name of "equality". ie make every pupil as slow and non aspirational as the least able and ambitious.

[Togo]

//The Conservative 2015 Election Manifesto promised to leave the European Human Rights Convention and replace it with a British Bill of Rights instead. Seems that has been quietly forgotten. //

Brexit and do it then.... easy. Not allowed if we are still in shackles.

[Gromit]

The lack of doctors had nothing to do with scrapping grammar schools.
Those we do train (at great expense) emigrate to better paid jobs abroad. We then have to recruit from poor countries, robbing them of a valuable person.

We have young people clever enough to fill a lot of public sector jobs, but they can work for much better wages in the private sector. So we have to recruit from abroad, people who will work for less.