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Are Brexiters Worried That What They Voted For...ain't Ever Gonna Happen?
Seriously...as someone who was 'soft remain', I can see that the there is absolutely no way that the man/woman in the street is going to be allowed to dictate the financial security of the UK.
So...what do you think we will actually get from Brexit?
At best, a watered down version of what he majority voted for?
A hideous compromise?
At some point in the future, are we going to have to face the fact that Brexit cannot work, especially when a whole load of the Brexit camp will feel the reality of what they've done?
So...what do you think we will actually get from Brexit?
At best, a watered down version of what he majority voted for?
A hideous compromise?
At some point in the future, are we going to have to face the fact that Brexit cannot work, especially when a whole load of the Brexit camp will feel the reality of what they've done?
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Many of the Brexit slogans and aspirations involved the word "back" "Country back", "Soveignty back", etc. Generally "back" is not a good direction to go in, as Labour is finding now,having voted for an unreconstruc
19:00 Wed 29th Jun 2016
sp1814 As I have said several times, WE DO NOT MAKE THE DECISIONS.
The procedure is quite clear, the outgoing state invokes A 50 and the the European Council WITHOUT the outgoing state meet to decide the guidelines for the exit. We CAN NOT negotiate anything that is NOT in those guidelines!!!
So if they are not prepared to offer any concessions on freedom of movement for example, they just leave it out of the guidelines and we are forced to accept without compromise , discussion or negotiation.
The procedure is quite clear, the outgoing state invokes A 50 and the the European Council WITHOUT the outgoing state meet to decide the guidelines for the exit. We CAN NOT negotiate anything that is NOT in those guidelines!!!
So if they are not prepared to offer any concessions on freedom of movement for example, they just leave it out of the guidelines and we are forced to accept without compromise , discussion or negotiation.
“…but we will NEVER get to keep the 'Euro' trading that is handled through London.”
You paint an ever darker picture, Eddie. As I’ve said previously I think you are wrong. But even if you’re right it doesn’t matter. Most people who voted to leave voted that way because they wanted to reclaim control of the country and in particular of its borders. We cannot do this and remain in the EU. The Leavers are prepared to sacrifice some of the economy (but not as much of it as you seem to think) to achieve this. It’s tough on those who may be affected. But the bigger picture – the survival of the UK as an independent sovereign state – takes precedence over the jobs of a few bankers. It’s called democracy, Eddie. The majority prevails.
“”As almost nobody knew what the short term, or even the longer term, drawbacks or gains would be, you assume too much.”
The expected short term drawbacks are economical uncertainty and turbulence (already evident) and the long term gains the restoration of supremacy of UL law and its Parliament (indisputable if Brexit is fully effected).
I think I’m withdrawing from these referendum post- mortems. Tennis is on the telly for another ten days and the debates are becoming increasingly tiresome and bizarre. To summarise, Leavers were mad to vote the way they did, did not know what they were voting for and are now regretting the way they cast their votes. Oh dear, how sad, never mind!
You paint an ever darker picture, Eddie. As I’ve said previously I think you are wrong. But even if you’re right it doesn’t matter. Most people who voted to leave voted that way because they wanted to reclaim control of the country and in particular of its borders. We cannot do this and remain in the EU. The Leavers are prepared to sacrifice some of the economy (but not as much of it as you seem to think) to achieve this. It’s tough on those who may be affected. But the bigger picture – the survival of the UK as an independent sovereign state – takes precedence over the jobs of a few bankers. It’s called democracy, Eddie. The majority prevails.
“”As almost nobody knew what the short term, or even the longer term, drawbacks or gains would be, you assume too much.”
The expected short term drawbacks are economical uncertainty and turbulence (already evident) and the long term gains the restoration of supremacy of UL law and its Parliament (indisputable if Brexit is fully effected).
I think I’m withdrawing from these referendum post- mortems. Tennis is on the telly for another ten days and the debates are becoming increasingly tiresome and bizarre. To summarise, Leavers were mad to vote the way they did, did not know what they were voting for and are now regretting the way they cast their votes. Oh dear, how sad, never mind!
EDDIE - I understand that you are talking about what is the laid-down procedure for exit and only this afternoon we have been told that there is no access to the Free Market without unlimited immigration. BUT - we can just say 'OK, then, sorry you can't see your way' and ignore them and make individual arrangements. We are NOT forced to accept anything at all. Individual trage agreements will sort it. You really are a pessimist, cheer up! :)
SP, why are you apologising for using the word ‘moron’? If that’s what you think be courageous enough to stand by it. I'm not a moron - I know exactly what I voted for. I am, however, the one who referred to 'Remainers' as cowards – and I make no apology for that. Evidence indeed of the difference between you 'Remainers' and we 'Leavers'. Courage, dear chap, courage!!
jourdain, then how exactly can we have access to the EU market if they will not allow us to trade with them unless we also accept unlimited freedom of movement? We can not just make an arrangement with Germany for example the EU operates as a block NOT as individual states. It is all or none! We can not make individual arrangements with separate EU nations.
Of course if Spain for example also left the EU we could then negotiate with them but NOT while they are part of the EU.
New Judge I see your point but I think very few people who voted in or out realise just how huge an amount of money we make from this 'Euro' trading
and what a hole it will make in our GDP if it all stops. It is what I believe is called 'invisible exports'
Of course if Spain for example also left the EU we could then negotiate with them but NOT while they are part of the EU.
New Judge I see your point but I think very few people who voted in or out realise just how huge an amount of money we make from this 'Euro' trading
and what a hole it will make in our GDP if it all stops. It is what I believe is called 'invisible exports'
Eddie, //how exactly can we have access to the EU market if they will not allow us to trade with them unless we also accept unlimited freedom of movement?//
Be sensible. They sell far more to us than we sell to them, Is Germany really going to tell BMW that it must lose trade and that thousands of workers must lose their jobs because anonymous bureaucrats refuse to allow the company to sell their cars to us - the same in France for Peugeot. And if they do, so what? Toyota is good. Stop being so afraid!!! There's a whole world out there.
Be sensible. They sell far more to us than we sell to them, Is Germany really going to tell BMW that it must lose trade and that thousands of workers must lose their jobs because anonymous bureaucrats refuse to allow the company to sell their cars to us - the same in France for Peugeot. And if they do, so what? Toyota is good. Stop being so afraid!!! There's a whole world out there.
Good god.
Jim 360 was scared about scientific research and free movement prior to the referendum vote.
I have just listened to an hour of Strathchclyde University graduates being presented with their degree diplomas. My B.I.L.s daughter was a recipient of a degree in speech therapy. About 95% 0f graduates were Chinese. I kid you not. If they can study in the UK and are not from the EU why the funucular is any one worrying about free movement disappearing. Yoe just apply for a goddam visa the same as Blair's son did to study at an Ivy league University. Half the LSE are foreign non eu students for goodness sake. No one is stupid enough to cut off their noses.
Can't some of you timid pathetic remainers just man-up and grow up. Life will go on just like it did before that awful corrupt monster developed in Brussels before most of you FaintHearts were born.
Jim 360 was scared about scientific research and free movement prior to the referendum vote.
I have just listened to an hour of Strathchclyde University graduates being presented with their degree diplomas. My B.I.L.s daughter was a recipient of a degree in speech therapy. About 95% 0f graduates were Chinese. I kid you not. If they can study in the UK and are not from the EU why the funucular is any one worrying about free movement disappearing. Yoe just apply for a goddam visa the same as Blair's son did to study at an Ivy league University. Half the LSE are foreign non eu students for goodness sake. No one is stupid enough to cut off their noses.
Can't some of you timid pathetic remainers just man-up and grow up. Life will go on just like it did before that awful corrupt monster developed in Brussels before most of you FaintHearts were born.
@EDDIE51
Strewth! Of you'd made it known that overpaid bankers would be laid off as a consequence of #Brexit , Leave would have racked up another few % share of the vote!
Humour aside, does London not also trade in the dollar? The Yen? The Yuan?
Work gravitates to where the skills are and the skills seem to be domiciled in the SE of England, at the moment. Do you want to be the one to tell them they're going to have to learn German, in an awful hurry?
Strewth! Of you'd made it known that overpaid bankers would be laid off as a consequence of #Brexit , Leave would have racked up another few % share of the vote!
Humour aside, does London not also trade in the dollar? The Yen? The Yuan?
Work gravitates to where the skills are and the skills seem to be domiciled in the SE of England, at the moment. Do you want to be the one to tell them they're going to have to learn German, in an awful hurry?
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