Will The Oic Fall Short Of A Blanket Ban On Russian Athletes Participating In Rio?

[barney15c]

The Russians have been found to have cheated at a state level in doping for their athlete. Should the OIC blanket ban the whole team or will they allow certain individuals to represent the country if it is proved they are clean?
I think personally the whole team should be banned, its been proven with some certainty it was endemic , if this was a smaller nation the OIC would not hesitate to expel them from the games.

[barney15c]

Type Your Answer Here...That should of course have read IOC.

[dannyk13]

If some of the Russian team are clean, then why should they suffer because of what other team members have done?

[ToraToraTora]

They should be banned, the Ruskies are endemic cheats but I suspect the IOC will fudge it somehow. Probably allow archers/marksmen etc to compete, I can't imagine steam tugs help those sports much.

[mikey4444]

Russia's track and field athletes are already banned. If what the World Anti-Doping Agency is true, how can any Russian be allowed take part ?

[fiction-factory]

I'd prefer the ones not known as drugs cheats to attend and be subject to normal testing.
I wonder whether there is any evidence of cheating by, say, Chinese sportsmen/authorities? I would be surprised if Russia were the only country that was aiding/turning a blind eye towards drugs cheats

[ToraToraTora]

I lost interest in Athletics years ago, it's essentially a chemistry contest now days. There may be genuine clean athletes but they are swamped by the majority who are using drugs and techniques to avoid detection. I feel sorry for any competitor that knows they are clean but is emerged in a sport where it is assumed they are all on the steam tugs. Danny, the IOC has said that any athlete that can show they are clean can compete under the Olympic flag.

[mikey4444]

FF......the difficulty with "normal testing" is its exactly that, that is in doubt now. There is clear evidence that Russia has cheated the system.

Is not just the tests that take place after a medal winner has won.....testing for athletes is an ongoing affair, not juts a one-off.

Kick em out I say.

[barney15c]

The Russians are all at it, look at Sharipova

[EDDIE51]

None of the team are 'clean' they may not have been willing participants in the doping, it was ordered by central government and enforced by the secret service. Only banning the USSR from all international competition will show them that state enforced cheating can never be acceptable.
The problem will be that the state controlled media will not allow the real reason for the ban to be disclosed inside the USSR. The Russian public will be feed a load of lies saying it is all the fault of 'The West' who are jealous of the USSR's success and are unfairly banning them.
I think it should go further than just the next Olympics , the USSR should be banned from all international sport for at least 10 years.

[anotheoldgit]

fiction-factory

/// I wonder whether there is any evidence of cheating by, say, Chinese sportsmen/authorities? I would be surprised if Russia were the only country that was aiding/turning a blind eye towards drugs cheats ///

Why you particular chose the Chinese is anyone's guess, but you are quite right Russia can't be the only country that cheats, take some of the African countries, who are known to cheat at most things.

[sp1814]

AOG

Simply outstanding.

[Old_Geezer]

10 years is a long time in the sporting life of younger athletes who have yet to be caught up with this form of cheating. Unsure that a blanket ban like that is really fair. Maybe draw a line ans assume anyone at a certain stage is tainted, whether willingly or not, and that those younger will be tested as are everyone else.

[ichkeria]

They have to ban Russia. They have no choice. If they don't they risk the reputation of the Olympics (such as it is some might say)
This is not a few, or even a lot, of athletes cheating. This is a state organised system of doping and deceit, threats and intimidation and blackmail, that beggars belief. Yes it's hard on clean athletes (if there are any) but in the time available it's impossible to see that they could prove they were clean. And the people those clean athletes (if they are any) need to blame is their own government for creating this situation.
What is it: 555 proven cases across nearly every Olympic sport ? 15 known Sochi medal cheats and probably many more. And that is just scratching the surface.

[ichkeria]

This is not 'aiding or turning a blind eye' fiction factory: it's conceiving, planning and executing mass cheating. With an elaborate system of subterfuge.

[barney15c]

Sort of related as its a Russian athlete. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/36834117

[ichkeria]

Shobukhova was actually blackmailed by the corrupt IAAF officials and the very Russians who'd organised her doping! You would not make that sort of thing up ...