Turkey May Reintroduce Death Penalty....

[mushroom25]

.....as a result of the failed coup....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36832071

capital punishment was abolished in 2004 as a step toward turkey's EU membership.

will its reintroduction lead to the suspension of their membership bid, or is it more likely a fudge will be concocted to allow Turkey to have death penalty and EU membership?

[ToraToraTora]

that won't help their application but under it all and possibly causing the coup is the fact that essentially the president and government are still pretty hard line islamists that would struggle to get into the EU anyway. However as we know the EUSSR prizes expansion at all costs so I wouldn't be surprised if they fudge it going forward.

[Old_Geezer]

Yes it will be put in hold until they rescind it again.

Meanwhile it seems to me that this failed coup was exactly the event Erdogan was hoping for. One where insufficient of the army has had enough and so the rest can win the day and give him an excuse to push for whatever he wants.

[jno]

France will always block Turkey entering the EU (a lot of influential Armenians live in France, rather like Jews in America). Turkey wanted to join a decade or so back, the EU said get lost, and as a result Turkey is pulling away from the west, which perhaps isn't a good thing since they're on the EU borderlands.

[andy-hughes]

I am amazed that Turley is considered for EU membership while it retains its ownership of northern Cyprus, taken by military force - surely that has to be addressed before membership can even be considered?

[Old_Geezer]

It is on the list.

[ichkeria]

That article doesn't really explain things properly.
Turkey is a signatory to Protocol 6 of the EHCR, which prohibits the use of the death penalty except in wartime. Further, it has also signed and ratified Protocol 13, which completely abolishes it. So, regardless of any thoughts of joining the EU (which it is not, actually, thought, Turkey cares much about joining despite all the hoo-ha about it) their position vis-avis their Council of Europe Membership would become problematic, never mind any future membership of the EU

[anotheoldgit]

The chief of the EU has already warned Turkey, and that is before they ever become a member of that dictatorial 'state'.

/// Turkey cannot join the European Union if it reinstates the death penalty, German Chancellor Angela Merkel told Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan in a telephone call on Monday, a German spokeswoman said. ///

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-germany-idUSKCN0ZY0YI

[mikey4444]

I suppose it will Mush, but I'm not sure that Turkeys bid to join the EU was imminent in any way !

[NoMercy]

If Turkey reinstates state-sanctioned executions, they won't have a hope in hell of joining the EU.

[retrocop]

//andy-hughes

I am amazed that Turley is considered for EU membership while it retains its ownership of northern Cyprus, taken by military force - surely that has to be addressed before membership can even be considered? //

The control of Northern Cyprus is a totally different issue compared the Death penalty.
If the Turks had not stamped their authority and protected the interests of their Turkish Cypriots then the Greek Military hawks were already assembling in Cyprus to subjugate the entire island as a Greek property.
EOKA is still not dead.
If it was considered such an outrage to annexe the Northern half for the protection of the Turkish Cypriots then why was Turkey not kicked out of NATO?
wh

[andy-hughes]

retrocop - //The control of Northern Cyprus is a totally different issue compared the Death penalty. //

I am unsure of the point you are making here.

My point was that the issue of Cyprus has been a sticking point for EU membership for Turkey for a number of years, and remains unaddressed as far as we are aware. Therefore it should be being resolved before the debate about capital punishment reaches the top of the list.

// If it was considered such an outrage to annexe the Northern half for the protection of the Turkish Cypriots then why was Turkey not kicked out of NATO? //

I have no idea - I don't work in NATO!

[sandyRoe]

Do individual countries who are already members of the EU have a veto on prospective applicants? If that's the case then Hades will freeze over before Greece let's them join.

[CrapAtCryptics]

I think Merkels already said that a reintroduction of the death penalty would mean they could not join the EU. A rare occasion I agree with her - they should deal with the causes of the attempted coup and not wipe people out for disagreeing.

[ichkeria]

Turkey was never going to be kicked out of NATO for invading Cyprus.
That would have been ridiculous. NATO is a military alliance traditionally focused on collective security against the Warsaw Pact, and Turkey occupied a strategy position in that role. So although NATO would not have approved of it, the idea that their action would have been allowed to threaten the integrity of the NATO alliance is less daft than the idea of the Soviet Union being expelled from the Warsaw Pact from invading Hungary or Czechoslovakia.
But not hugely so.

[jno]

sandyRoe - yes, they do, in spite of Brexiteers claiaming otherwise.

[retrocop]

As I said earlier this is a subject for a totally different thread. The sovereignty of Cyprus is a long complex issue and nothing to do with this OP.
I will say as a final word. If Turkey had not claimed part of the Island then Greece would probably not be in the EU themselves. They had already started to introduce troops and tanks to establish a union with Greece by force.

[Gromit]

There is no need for the death penalty when opponents can be just 'bumped off' by the security services.

Turkey will not be joining the EU in the near future, possibly never.

No fudge will be done, they just ain't joining.

[atalanta]

This "coup" was so extraordinarily convenient for Erdogan that I am not the only one who is wondering if the authorities somehow "encouraged " it or at least used a few agents provocateurs. I have seen that suggestion in at least one respected newspaper. Get rid of your enemies, bring in laws giving yourself new powers, suppress even more dissent - what more could Erdogan want ?

[Gromit]

While Erdogan survived this coup, I reckon he now has too many enemies, and he will be assassinated within the year.

As well as having powerful enemies within Turkey, the queue of international enemies includes Russia, Syria, ISIS, the Kurds, Israel and some Arabs. Even his friends, the EU and the US would be happy to see him go, as he is now seen as a barroer to progress.

[-Talbot-]

Erdogan
I will approve the death penalty if it is passed in parliament.


As Turkey is a very divided country, can I ask who or what is it you are standing with re Turkey, ichkeria?