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Forget Waiting For A50, Shut Up Shop Now!
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I don't think we should allow that to rush us into a less than decent deal with our future EU relationship. Worst comes to worst one can always ensure recent arrivals need to justify remaining here under whatever new criteria we put into place; but chances are even a spike will be better than permanent open house, and we'd just cope with it.
This was always one of the drawbacks with Brexit- any cut off date would lead to surge in EU immigration- and I think I right in saying the reforms negotiated by Cameron about restricting entitlements to benefits for EU migrants won't now take effect. I'd be surprised if we could do anything to 'shut up shop' now for EU immigrants.
Once Brexit takes effect, depending on what it looks like, we could find no change to immigation rules or could find we take fewer EU migrants, but we can always plug the gap by taking in more from predominantly Muslim countries
Once Brexit takes effect, depending on what it looks like, we could find no change to immigation rules or could find we take fewer EU migrants, but we can always plug the gap by taking in more from predominantly Muslim countries
At least hes not a suasage eater...grateful for small mercies and all that
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Junkers is pleased so thats all right then...
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Junkers is pleased so thats all right then...
//Britain's looming exit from the European Union raises the possibility of a sudden influx of EU citizens to the UK anxious to claim their right to residence. //
From 3T's link. If the EUSSR is so marvelous, why the panic to get into the UK? Or are all these "EU citizens" the recently arrived who have been granted citizenship to member states, and are panicking that their intention to enter the UK under the right to dwell anywhere in the European zone, will be lost. Was that their intention all along, to enter the UK? Did the rest of the EU know this to be the case and were only too willing to offer citizenship because the expected them to leave for Britain at the first opportunity?
From 3T's link. If the EUSSR is so marvelous, why the panic to get into the UK? Or are all these "EU citizens" the recently arrived who have been granted citizenship to member states, and are panicking that their intention to enter the UK under the right to dwell anywhere in the European zone, will be lost. Was that their intention all along, to enter the UK? Did the rest of the EU know this to be the case and were only too willing to offer citizenship because the expected them to leave for Britain at the first opportunity?
Oohh and once we have kicked the dooda off our boots, then we can start to ship out the sly anti British. The ones who come demanding integration but secretly have no desire to integrate, but to build enclaves that are truly alien to the British tradition of tolerance and acceptance. We have been taught a harsh lesson, now we just need to take the examination.
Sounded to me like Gulliver's posts were mindless pessimism rather than anything else. There's no way as a committed Remainiac that I'd talk about continued EU membership post-referendum as "life without parole".
It's still not certain that we are going to leave, only *almost* certain, although the distinction is surely only academic at this point. Still, let's try to leave in a sensible and orderly fashion. Whether or not the EU can impose anything on us we still have to work with them even after leaving. Seems to me that the best way to achieve that is by being respectful, rather than storming off in a huff, an action that would destroy the UK's reputation on the world stage. Who would want to arrange any sort of deal with a country that has no respect for the deals it has already made?
It's still not certain that we are going to leave, only *almost* certain, although the distinction is surely only academic at this point. Still, let's try to leave in a sensible and orderly fashion. Whether or not the EU can impose anything on us we still have to work with them even after leaving. Seems to me that the best way to achieve that is by being respectful, rather than storming off in a huff, an action that would destroy the UK's reputation on the world stage. Who would want to arrange any sort of deal with a country that has no respect for the deals it has already made?
Gulliver: "just for TGT and his Friend, we aint never gonna get out, enjoy! " - not sure who TGT is but enjoy your rental of the family braincell whilst you can. Please explain why you think the EU is so wonderful and indeed why you think we'll never leave. I think we'd all rather enjoy your musings on the subject.
Not quite sure why Junker [sic] is my "mate", but never mind.
I don't think the deal was eroded in anywhere near the sense that you imagine. That's by the by, but as has been pointed out the long-term goal of an effective United States of Europe was never hidden, so was always part of "the deal".
I don't think the EU is viewed as "bullies" either, so baz's usual rant is wishful thinking on his part. In the long run it is obviously better for everyone to negotiate respectfully while honouring the outcome of the referendum.
I don't think the deal was eroded in anywhere near the sense that you imagine. That's by the by, but as has been pointed out the long-term goal of an effective United States of Europe was never hidden, so was always part of "the deal".
I don't think the EU is viewed as "bullies" either, so baz's usual rant is wishful thinking on his part. In the long run it is obviously better for everyone to negotiate respectfully while honouring the outcome of the referendum.
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