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A Mother Couldn't Get Any Worse Than This.....
could they?
If she wasn't born here, she should be deported!
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andy-hughes
/// But education - in the sense in which I am employing the term - is about example, and trying to ensure that people who join our culture see for themselves the benefits of some of our ways of living and treating each other, compared with what they see as being the way things are. ///
Well that hasn't worked so far, how can you educate people unless one does it in a classroom like environment?
Do you think that these oversexed young single male's are going to stop attacking Western women, simply because they see Western males behaving in a more civilised way?
/// But education - in the sense in which I am employing the term - is about example, and trying to ensure that people who join our culture see for themselves the benefits of some of our ways of living and treating each other, compared with what they see as being the way things are. ///
Well that hasn't worked so far, how can you educate people unless one does it in a classroom like environment?
Do you think that these oversexed young single male's are going to stop attacking Western women, simply because they see Western males behaving in a more civilised way?
mikey - //Andy....I couldn't give a rats *** what "cultural attitudes" this woman has been brought up in.....I know of no civilised society where its OK for mother and sons to have sex. //
Neither do I - but this is not about the culture of sexual propriety, it is about the culture of manipulation and abuse - and that applies to every society - civilised or not.
Neither do I - but this is not about the culture of sexual propriety, it is about the culture of manipulation and abuse - and that applies to every society - civilised or not.
AOG - //andy-hughes
/// But education - in the sense in which I am employing the term - is about example, and trying to ensure that people who join our culture see for themselves the benefits of some of our ways of living and treating each other, compared with what they see as being the way things are. ///
Well that hasn't worked so far, how can you educate people unless one does it in a classroom like environment? //
How does anyone learn anything?
You speak English - fluently - did you learn it by sitting in a 'classroom like environment'?
No, you learned it because you were immersed in it, and you learned by example, by listening, trying, being corrected, trying again. It took time, but you got there in the end - no classroom in sight.
Education is never just about sitting at a desk.
Do you think that these oversexed young single male's are going to stop attacking Western women, simply because they see Western males behaving in a more civilised way?
/// But education - in the sense in which I am employing the term - is about example, and trying to ensure that people who join our culture see for themselves the benefits of some of our ways of living and treating each other, compared with what they see as being the way things are. ///
Well that hasn't worked so far, how can you educate people unless one does it in a classroom like environment? //
How does anyone learn anything?
You speak English - fluently - did you learn it by sitting in a 'classroom like environment'?
No, you learned it because you were immersed in it, and you learned by example, by listening, trying, being corrected, trying again. It took time, but you got there in the end - no classroom in sight.
Education is never just about sitting at a desk.
Do you think that these oversexed young single male's are going to stop attacking Western women, simply because they see Western males behaving in a more civilised way?
AOG - //Do you think that these oversexed young single male's are going to stop attacking Western women, simply because they see Western males behaving in a more civilised way? //
No I don't think that.
I think they will learn from being punished by the law, and realising that their actions have consequences, and then they can pass that lesson on to their children - and by degrees, such behaviour is eradicated because people learn that such things are wrong, and unacceptable.
You persist in inferring that I think that education is an instant magic wand - I persist in pointing out that I do not think anything of the kind.
Society educates itself over time, and things that were seen as acceptable once, are acceptable no more, but it never happens overnight - nor would anyone, especially me, suggest that it could.
No I don't think that.
I think they will learn from being punished by the law, and realising that their actions have consequences, and then they can pass that lesson on to their children - and by degrees, such behaviour is eradicated because people learn that such things are wrong, and unacceptable.
You persist in inferring that I think that education is an instant magic wand - I persist in pointing out that I do not think anything of the kind.
Society educates itself over time, and things that were seen as acceptable once, are acceptable no more, but it never happens overnight - nor would anyone, especially me, suggest that it could.
stuey - //Mamy, I think, but I'm not sure, that Talbot at 1430 was maybe referring to that quote made by Alexander Pope which begins: "Words are like leaves..." //
He may be - but responding to a point by saying that the point is 'just words' is to absent yourself from the argument by admitting that you don't understand what is being said.
No problem there, as long as Talbot realises that the responsibility for his lack of understanding is his, rather than mine.
He may be - but responding to a point by saying that the point is 'just words' is to absent yourself from the argument by admitting that you don't understand what is being said.
No problem there, as long as Talbot realises that the responsibility for his lack of understanding is his, rather than mine.
/// How does anyone learn anything? ///
/// You speak English - fluently - did you learn it by sitting in a 'classroom like
environment'? ///
Yes one did, the 'classroom environment' was my home, my country, my teachers were my parents and those around me, later to go on to a place of further learning, which was a specific building with proper classrooms.
/// You speak English - fluently - did you learn it by sitting in a 'classroom like
environment'? ///
Yes one did, the 'classroom environment' was my home, my country, my teachers were my parents and those around me, later to go on to a place of further learning, which was a specific building with proper classrooms.
To all those on here who are spitting fire and brimstone and jumping up and down on their moral high ground, I ask you to consider this -
just how browbeaten, and probably physically beaten, and cowed, and rubbished, and degraded and generally made to feel utterly helpless and worthless do you think any mother would have to be to engage in activity like this?
You all fire off as though she is some modern-day Miss Whiplash who thinks perverse sex is just a bit of fun on a Saturday afternoon.
Take a breath, and a step back, and have a think about the circumstances, and what it takes for someone to do something like this.
Then you can look for a little sympathy in place of condemnation - and you might think that this is just a horrible situation, and not some moral aberration for you to get het up about.
just how browbeaten, and probably physically beaten, and cowed, and rubbished, and degraded and generally made to feel utterly helpless and worthless do you think any mother would have to be to engage in activity like this?
You all fire off as though she is some modern-day Miss Whiplash who thinks perverse sex is just a bit of fun on a Saturday afternoon.
Take a breath, and a step back, and have a think about the circumstances, and what it takes for someone to do something like this.
Then you can look for a little sympathy in place of condemnation - and you might think that this is just a horrible situation, and not some moral aberration for you to get het up about.
AOG - //Yes one did, the 'classroom environment' was my home, my country, my teachers were my parents and those around me, later to go on to a place of further learning, which was a specific building with proper classrooms.//
Then we are in agreement - education takes place within a society - and it takes time.
Then we are in agreement - education takes place within a society - and it takes time.
andy-hughes
/// Society educates itself over time, and things that were seen as acceptable once, are acceptable no more, but it never happens overnight - nor would anyone, especially me, suggest that it could. ///
And so such things as this continue to go on until the perpetrators learn our ways?
Much better to take the original poster's solution, that you seemed so against, and that was, "send them back from whence they came".
/// Society educates itself over time, and things that were seen as acceptable once, are acceptable no more, but it never happens overnight - nor would anyone, especially me, suggest that it could. ///
And so such things as this continue to go on until the perpetrators learn our ways?
Much better to take the original poster's solution, that you seemed so against, and that was, "send them back from whence they came".
Olivio - //Wow, deportation,jibes at her culture, she shouldn't be here and all the usual mumbo jumbo from the handwriting far reich, I mean right etc.. Isn't it clear that this is nothing more than a case of mental illness? //
I can be as aghast and horrified as anyone on here - the difference between them, and you and I - is that I am not willing to leap in with a knee-jerk reaction that ignores the circumstances of what has happened, and the situations leading up to it - and simply steams in with moral outrage and pointless posturing, which helps no-one.
I can be as aghast and horrified as anyone on here - the difference between them, and you and I - is that I am not willing to leap in with a knee-jerk reaction that ignores the circumstances of what has happened, and the situations leading up to it - and simply steams in with moral outrage and pointless posturing, which helps no-one.
AOG - //Much better to take the original poster's solution, that you seemed so against, and that was, "send them back from whence they came". //
People have been arriving on these shores with unacceptable behaviours - and then settling and adapting, since Viking times.
What makes you think society and its abilities to evolve, has changed since Asian immigrants started coming in?
People have been arriving on these shores with unacceptable behaviours - and then settling and adapting, since Viking times.
What makes you think society and its abilities to evolve, has changed since Asian immigrants started coming in?
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