Will This Proposed Bribe Work? Up To 10K If There's Fracking In Your Area.

[sandyRoe]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37000975

[whiskeryron]

I await with baited breath to see if someone says '' We don't want your Fracking money.''

[mikey4444]

Whatever the merits of fracking, and for me, the jury is still out on that, this can only be seen as a bribe.

[naomi24]

Labour closed more mines than Mrs Thatcher closed. Almost twice as many. Just saying.

[EDDIE51]

I looked carefully at the 'Anti Fracking' protests on TV last night and at most there were a dozen or so people attending. Most of the protesters looked like 'professional protesters' the sort who protest at anything.
I don't think the 'Anti Fracking' protests will get far.
The 'Nuclear Power No Thanks' protest which stemmed from the CND 'ban the bomb' campaine was very successful and was the reason the government abandoned our Nuclear power program back in the 1970s.
Now we are running out of electricity and have no expertise to build the new Nuclear power stations needed. We will have to rely on France and China to bail us out.
Even if we went 'all out' to return to coal power it is only going to last 50 to 100 years. Our children will be cursing our lack of foresight.
Togo, it is very far from sure that fusion power will ever be viable. No one has yet made even an experimental fusion reactor that does not use more power to run it than it produces.
Then the potential dangers from an accident in a fusion power reactor at far more than those from a conventional Nuclear fission reactor.
It is the same as the difference between the WW2 Atom bomb and a modern Hydrogen Bomb. WW2 was a fission bomb while the present day bombs are fusion bombs and over a thousand times more powerful .

[mikey4444]

Good post Eddie.

[naomi24]

^A convenient 'whoosh'!

[Togo]

Haha Donny is not as gullible some.
We are much closer than that Eddie. Lockheed announced 3 years ago that they had come up with a way of containing the energy generated and last September details of the ARC tokamak reactor were released with a forecast that it may be up and running in 3 years time, ie 2 years from now, with a viable reactor in less than a decade. You are the eternal pessimist Eddie. In the meantime get fracking.

[Togo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3202618/Fusion-power-decade-MIT-reveals-small-reactor-claims-create-limitless-amounts-energy.html

Donny is not as gullible some. (not as gullible AS some)

[Togo]

Eddie you scare mongering, reference massive nuclear explosions, is just not so. You have been reading "Dan Dare" comics I presume.

Dr Alejaldre said.
“A Fukushima-like accident is impossible at Iter because the fusion reaction is fundamentally safe. Any disturbance from ideal conditions and the reaction will stop. A runaway nuclear reaction and a core meltdown are simply not possible,”

As I Indicated in my first post on fusion, it looks like being viable by the 50s. I wont see it but It doesn't stop me supporting the project. In the meantime get fracking.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/one-giant-leap-for-mankind-13bn-iter-project-makes-breakthrough-in-the-quest-for-nuclear-fusion-a-8590480.html

[-Talbot-]

I think you have to be a bit dim to think Togo was being serious with his Thatcher/mines comment.

[Togo]

This was the clue Talbot(^_*)........ Only one was taken in though. Despite calling it a clumsy attempt at sarcasm. Lol I must use it again, it seemed to cause a rush of blood.

[-Talbot-]

naomi24
Labour closed more mines than Mrs Thatcher closed. Almost twice as many. Just saying.


I have been thinking about the above statement ... why Labour v Thatcher and not Labour v Conservatives?

[paddywak]

Naomi,Labour did close more pits then the Tories but you must remember the majority of these pits were closed after consultation with the Unions and due to to the fact that they had no viable reserves and many of the miners affected relocated the Notts and Yorks coalfields.The Bitches gang on the other hand closed many pits which had good long term prospects with reserves proven by boring and siesmic survey,my last pit for instance had a minimum of 30 years workable reserves in the Top Hard Seam and as the Manager described the Witham Seam "a clear run from Notts to the coast in a 6 metre seam of good quality coal".I know not all pits had the same reserves but many did and all that deep coal is still there it's just the means and the men to get it aren't.

[sandyRoe]

The pits abandoned and neglected, could they be reworked or are they too dangerous??

[-Talbot-]

Naomi,Labour did close more pits then the Tories


Did they?

[Togo]

The old shafts are mostly filled in sandy but it would n yond thevrealms of possibility to sink new shafts, in different locations, and work the seams that are still there and always will be unless decide to mine them. Any new mines that were sunk would not require the manning levels that were the norm 30 years ago, Even the horizontal "roads" to and from the face workings can now be driven automatically where once teams of very highly paid "crutters"( I think that was the term used in SOT for such teams of men) who erected the rings as they went and were paid by the yardage or distance mined. Tough dangerous work for mainly young men. Accidents were frequent.

[Togo]

//but it would n yond thevrealms of //

but it wouldn't be beyond the realms of...........(keyboard lag)

[paddywak]

Sandy.Nowadays once a pit is shut it's gone for good and the shafts are filled and sealed plus as any ex-miner will tell you actually keeping the road ways open underground was a full time job.Apart from some areas such as the pit bottoms and some major junctions many areas were subject to either "weight" causing the supports to buckle and close up or "floor lift" the same only pressure causing the floor to rise in addition to this most pits had to be pumped constantly to prevent flooding another problem would be the build up of methane which seeped from the workings causing explosive mixtures in the air. So Sandy it would probably be easier to sink new shafts and strart from scratch.

[Togo]

paddy is bob on there. I have walked a roadway that was 8ft high and a week later it would be hands and knees to pass. Strangely it was the floor that rose rather than the ring supports bending or buckling that caused the narrowing. I have also been through an airlock between parallel roads and one side would be so wet that pumps were running 24/7 but across the corridor it would be bone dry and hot with 6inches of dust on the ground. Silverdale that was.

[-Talbot-]

paddywak, where did you get the information that Labour closed more pits then the Tories?