Surely This Should Be The Last Euro Organisation We Should Leave?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/698421/Brexit-news-European-Union-UK-to-quit-europol

[Old_Geezer]

One might think so. Hopefully they'll retain a a close relationship.

[Islay]

The vote was out of the EU and all its gubbings - this is one of its gubbings - one can't pick and choose the gubbings you want to leave.

[Old_Geezer]

It's the order that one queries. Catching criminals is important so sharing data and tip-offs are vital. Might have left that break until later. Anyway we've not put in Article 50 yet.

[anotheoldgit]

Islay

/// The vote was out of the EU and all its gubbings - this is one of its gubbings - one can't pick and choose the gubbings you want to leave. ///

No one is picking which "gubbings" they want to leave, it is the order in which we leave certain 'gubbings' that is questioned.

[Mamyalynne]

Bad move.

[Islay]

Well perhaps this is something that should of been considered when Brexit was voted for!

[Old_Geezer]

Or perhaps not, since it is not a sensible thing to have considered before a verdict was reached.

[AB Editor]

I don't think that's a fair characterisation of the vote Islay.

And of course you can pick and choose between the gubbins :) it doesn't benefit anyone (us or other member) for us to leave, and as such it's likely we won't.

[jno]

I dont see why we'd want to stay, Mr Ed. It's just the sort of international organisation people love to hate, spending lots of money and not always getting value for it.

Interestingly, according to Wikipedia

"there are many EU member states, (UK for one example) who are the source of Europol’s information, which do not completely trust Europol".

[Togo]

We might as well start somewhere, this send a clear message that we mean to run our own law enforcement agencies and not be drawn into the EU shambolic attempt at securing the safety of our borders and citizens. The Danes saw through the sly setting up of a EUSSR style police state and opted firmly out, and we should do the same. Our intelligence agencies are second to none when given their heads, and GCHQ is rightly considered one of the World's leading establishments in such work. The Euro crets will lose more than we do in terms of global intelligence gathering if they once again spit the dummies out. The Remainiacs are still there, don't let them try to put the frighteners on you. If they are so besotted with the EU they can always ask for asylum there on the basis that they are in danger in the UK. Byeee.

[Khandro]

The thought of a "European CIA" fills me with dread and the fact that there is little communication between the various police forces now, (several separate outfits in the city of Brussels alone don't seem to be able to communicate with each other) How many British policemen are fluent in French and German, let alone Italian and Portuguese?
Out means out.

[Togo]

//The thought of a "European CIA" fills me with dread//

Precisely Khandro, although I envisage it would be more akin to the K.G.B.

[jourdain2]

Before we ever were inveigled into what became the EU, I remember, clearly, a good working relationship with Interpol. If you read the link it transpires that Denmark has negotiated a special arrangement - no reason why we should not also do so.

Having lived there, I know that France is a police state. I assume that the ultimate aim of the EU is similar surveillance and control everywhere.

[anotheoldgit]

jourdain2

/// I remember, clearly, a good working relationship with Interpol. ///

INTERPOL: Thanks jourdain, that is the organisation I was thinking of, and I just thought that they had been swallowed up by the EU and was now called EUROPOL.

/// The difference between Europol and Interpol. ///

/// Interpol and Europol are structured differently and therefore provide different possibilities for international law enforcement co–operation. Interpol is a network of police agencies in countries worldwide, whereas Europol mainly supports the EU Member States. Interpol and Europol have different but related roles in the fight against organised crime and therefore there is no competition between the organisations. To enhance international law enforcement co–operation a co-operation agreement was signed between the two organisations in 2001. ///

[Khandro]

Lists of objectives are well and good, but where do we look to see the results of this co-operation? Does it just mean that senior officers can travel about on freebies? How do they talk to one another? Do they have teams of interpreters?
In the case of Madelaine Mc Cann for example, many visits to Portugal have been made senior officers - do they speak Portuguese? do the cops there speak English? What has come of it all.
The "Europol" lack of communication between countries and even within countries regarding terrorists has been lacking on a grand scale.
It is, like plans for a common army, nothing more than part of Brussels' desire to make Europe into one superstate regardless of practicalities.

[Peter Pedant]

no I am afraid that you voted to leave the EU
not to leave some of the EU ( only the bad bits)

Oh there are some bits of the EU that are good ?
yes that is what the remainers said but were outvoted

[Peter Pedant]

// //The thought of a "European CIA" fills me with dread//

yeah ! the european CIA could blow up the Shard or Gherkin and blame ISIS
just like the CIA and trmup tower or whatever it was called - hey nine eleven !