Germany Gets Tough On The Burqa.

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/19/german-interior-minister-backs-burqa-bans-public-places

And it must be true, because it is reported on by the Guardian.

[youngmafbog]

About time too.

This is an extremely offensive garment to a huge number of people in the West.

[ichkeria]

A "partial ban" on veils is a fairly vague but potentially sensible idea, if applied to specific situations.
This is very much a case of trying to outmanoeuvre the far right in Germany. Women who actually wear the burqa for example in Germany number approximately 300 ...

[youngmafbog]

Are you trying to insinuate that it is only the far right who find the Burqa offensive? I must admit I am a little confused by your post.

[Old_Geezer]

A full ban on veils might be problematic at weddings & funerals.

[ichkeria]

"Are you trying to insinuate that it is only the far right who find the Burqa offensive? I must admit I am a little confused by your post. "

Don't pretend to be dumber than I really am ymb. If the "sensible" parties are seen to be doing something, then it sort of pulls the rug out from under the feet of the racists.

[youngmafbog]

Now I really dont get you. Why are you writing in riddles?

[Gromit]

// De Maizière indicated that outlawing the full face veil only under certain circumstances – as opposed to the blanket ban //

And why can't people wear a blanket if they want to?

[ichkeria]

lol

[Old_Geezer]

They are opposed to the blanket ban. But it can't be worn over the face as then it is just a thick veil.

[youngmafbog]

Is there a ban on blankets now then?

[Gromit]

Isn't what is being proposed exactly the same as we have in the UK.
The face must be visible for official identification.
// at public offices, at the registry office, in schools and universities, in the civil service // the Germans also include while driving.

That means the burqa can be worn in public places - shopping, recreation, in a non public job.

[ichkeria]

That is what I thought gromit

[ToraToraTora]

apologies AOG, Ichkeria, can I draw your attention to this thread, you may not have seen it: http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/How-it-Works/Question1508415.html

[ToraToraTora]

no one should habitually covering their boat, end of.

[ichkeria]

Thanks Tora.
I don't visit "How it Works" too often :-)

[ludwig]

// no one should habitually covering their boat, end of. //

I always put a tarpaulin over mine when I'm not using it to keep the rain out.

[youngmafbog]

You wonder why some see the need to habitually cover their barnett too.

It's all part of the suppression of women, no place for that in the West.

[anotheoldgit]

ichkeria

/// This is very much a case of trying to outmanoeuvre the far right in Germany. ///

Oh so the far-right do have a use then, if only to get some to sit up and take notice?

Just like UKIP for example, they certainly rocked the boat and they are not even far-right.

[andy-hughes]

fender62 - //it should made illegal in all western countries, it would help women in the long run
escape the misogynist cultural chains of there old countries, and help them integrate into the 21 century, and being it's illegal the husbands would have to except it and get over it, or move back to there country of origin, in the long run
it would become the norm and excepted, i think it would help and end division.
there would of course be teething problems at first, but i t would pass //

This view depends entirely on the unfounded assumption that Asian and African women wear a burqua do so because they are forced to, either by their husbands or by cultural contraints.

I believe that this is a western media construct - it may be that some women are so constrained, but that does not mean that all are, and it certainly does not mean that western society can be equally dogmatic and censorial.

Surely the irony of saying a woman is forced to wear a garment, and then forcing her not to wear it, cannot be lost on intelligent western society?