Don't Say I Didn't Warn You!

[EDDIE51]

Both the front runners for the French President election next year have said the agreement for the UK border to be in Calais can not continue!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/28/nicolas-sarkozy-demands-border-controls-for-thousands-of-migrant/
Just been on the TV news as well !

[anneasquith]

I saw that on the news this am Eddie. Interesting times ahead ?

[Mamyalynne]

Wouldn't dream of saying such a thing.

[Zacs-Master]

They've said it because it's a vote winner. Whether they follow up on it is a different matter.

[hc4361]

You can't blame them

[THEMOTLEY1]

//“The ‘Jungle’ should not be in Calais. It is perfectly normal for us to control our borders,”//
This from Sarkozy, given it was the French who let them in to France and let them construct the Jungle I do think he is now taking the pizz somewhat.

[Old_Geezer]

In the event they tried it then it'd soon get solved if any company carrying folk here from France, who didn't have a right to enter, was made responsible for returning them, plus suitably fined or whatever. Plus, of course, there is a limit on how much one can play to the home crowd and yet risk in terms of deteriorated relationships and consequential knock on lack of cooperation. France has allowed the economic immigrants into their country, it is their job to deal with the problems they've caused as a result.

[EDDIE51]

Just a few weeks back when I said this would happen I was 'shouted down' and told it was ludicrous and unthinkable. Now BOTH the leading contenders for President of France are saying the UK Calais border can not continue! I can't see how both of them are just saying it as a vote winner!
We have p***** them off enough by wanting out of the EU without all the migrant problems that will be a lot more complex once we are no longer in the EU!

[EDDIE51]

If the UK border returns to Dover , all the migrants currently in Calais automatically get the right to travel to that border. It solves the French problem at a stroke! and dumps them on us!

[THEMOTLEY1]

And of course, given this is a problem that was allowed to spiral out of control by the French Authorities we will just roll over and accept it.
I think not!

[New Judge]

Yes you did warn us Eddie (along with many other things, most of which seem unlikely to happen). I didn’t “shout you down” but explained calmly why it was unlikely in the extreme to happen. My view hasn’t changed because a couple of politicians have cast the idea about as a vote catcher.

Your notion that, should the border be restored to the UK, that illegal migrants have the right to travel to, say, Dover, is false. They have no such right. Carriers (airlines and ferry companies) have an obligation to ensure that those they intend to carry have the correct papers before embarkation. The responsibility to return illegals to their port of origin rests with the carrier. There is no way that ferry companies are going to allow huge numbers of migrants to board their ships only to see them refused permission to land in the UK. Furthermore, moving the border (as will the accompanying idea of allowing asylum seekers making a claim to settle in the UK from France) will simply attract even more migrants to the French Channel ports. In a word, it ain’t gonna happen and that is no less true today than it was yesterday before the candidates made their pitch.

This is a French problem, created by the French who allowed vast numbers of illegal immigrants to cross their borders and camp in Calais and elsewhere. It is not a UK problem and the UK has no responsibility to tackle it.

You need to think it through, Eddie, instead of being alarmed by political posturing.

[EDDIE51]

NJ It's looking a damn sight more possible now though no matter what you say! Both candidates for President saying the border must be returned to Dover.

[THEMOTLEY1]

I don't think he's alarmed by political posturing, more elated that he thinks he's finally made a correct call, which would be a novelty.

[Jackdaw33]

As NJ says, "So what?" If they haven't got the proper papers they don't get to land.

[THEMOTLEY1]

Did you actually read NJ's post Eddie, the part about the Carriers?

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EDDIE51
Just a few weeks back when I said this would happen I was 'shouted down' and told it was ludicrous and unthinkable
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Nothing has happened.

[THEMOTLEY1]

//If they haven't got the proper papers they don't get to land.//
More to the point, if they haven't got the proper papers they don't get to board in the first place.

[EDDIE51]

What is to stop the French using military ships to round up the migrants and dump them at a UK port? They are quite capable of doing it!

[Peter Pedant]

hmm seems they didnt shout you down eddie
they just ignored you ....

[Jackdaw33]

Stupid question! The Royal Navy and The Royal Marines.

[Mamyalynne]

Eddie, is that another prediction from you - seriously?