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Whats Your Thoughts On This.....
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I think everyone is entitled to their own daft opinion.
Exit isn't complex at all. One simply says, "Bye".
We changed to join which required work, no reason at all not to sort the systems to get out.
Plus, of course, agreeing new arrangements for the future.
I think some folk get daunted having considered their own difficulties coping, or imagining failing to cope, and assume everyone else is the same as they are.
Exit isn't complex at all. One simply says, "Bye".
We changed to join which required work, no reason at all not to sort the systems to get out.
Plus, of course, agreeing new arrangements for the future.
I think some folk get daunted having considered their own difficulties coping, or imagining failing to cope, and assume everyone else is the same as they are.
that sounds plausible: disentangling from the EU is going to be a huge job, and one they don't exactly want to do: as far as they have a plan, it's to keep all the privileges the UK has but to cease paying for them. Their job isn't simply to leave, it's to do so on the best possible terms for their country.
So it's quite possible they will strike a large number of individual deals then ask the public again if they still want to leave. I'm not sure this will actually happen but it sounds plausible.
So it's quite possible they will strike a large number of individual deals then ask the public again if they still want to leave. I'm not sure this will actually happen but it sounds plausible.
At the moment, it's a certainty that Article 50 won't be triggered until Spring 2017 at the earliest -- and there's a pretty decent chance that the process wouldn't start until later in 2017, if French and German elections are deemed too disruptive to the process. As u-turns go, this would be the most spectacular one ever.
I guess I shouldn't blame people for speculating (I still kind of hope that Brexit won't happen) but I'd suggest waiting until the end of next year before people start seriously suggesting that it won't. I expect myself a timetable that revolves around the 2020 General Election, ie aim to conclude the two-year process implied by Article 50 at around the same time that the election is due to occur (or, rather, campaigning for it). So that would be an early 2018 Article 50, and probably a formal announcement of intent next year to clarify the timetable. Then the new government of the next election can enjoy the freshest of fresh starts, and I'd say there's no better time to go to the people than when the country has changed something so fundamental about how it works.
At any rate, if May is going to stand up before the country and say "Brexit means Brexit", she's surely not intending to *** the majority who voted that way.
I guess I shouldn't blame people for speculating (I still kind of hope that Brexit won't happen) but I'd suggest waiting until the end of next year before people start seriously suggesting that it won't. I expect myself a timetable that revolves around the 2020 General Election, ie aim to conclude the two-year process implied by Article 50 at around the same time that the election is due to occur (or, rather, campaigning for it). So that would be an early 2018 Article 50, and probably a formal announcement of intent next year to clarify the timetable. Then the new government of the next election can enjoy the freshest of fresh starts, and I'd say there's no better time to go to the people than when the country has changed something so fundamental about how it works.
At any rate, if May is going to stand up before the country and say "Brexit means Brexit", she's surely not intending to *** the majority who voted that way.
Obviously we keep holding referenda until the British people get it right, NJ!
Seriously, though... this does expose the problem with referenda in this country's democracy, at least (and indeed, in any other's). The losers tend to want a rerun as soon as possible, and the winners tend to want the issue to be regarded as closed until the end of time. And the difference between the two outcomes on even huge issues can sometimes be razor-thin. At least when other countries hold a referendum the majority needed for change is usually required to be convincing, eg 55% or higher, which is not unreasonable.
Of course Cameron, fool that he was, was so confident of victory that he never bothered to establish all this from the start. Too late now. Oh, and yes, this is sour grapes speaking in part. Although on the other hand if Brexiteers are tired of hearing this argument they might reflect on how in future this would mean that a "Breverse" referendum (in, say, 30 years' time if the public will is there) would need the same conditions imposed, so really I'm imposing a stringent condition on overturning the result of June 23rd, rather than on confirming it.
Seriously, though... this does expose the problem with referenda in this country's democracy, at least (and indeed, in any other's). The losers tend to want a rerun as soon as possible, and the winners tend to want the issue to be regarded as closed until the end of time. And the difference between the two outcomes on even huge issues can sometimes be razor-thin. At least when other countries hold a referendum the majority needed for change is usually required to be convincing, eg 55% or higher, which is not unreasonable.
Of course Cameron, fool that he was, was so confident of victory that he never bothered to establish all this from the start. Too late now. Oh, and yes, this is sour grapes speaking in part. Although on the other hand if Brexiteers are tired of hearing this argument they might reflect on how in future this would mean that a "Breverse" referendum (in, say, 30 years' time if the public will is there) would need the same conditions imposed, so really I'm imposing a stringent condition on overturning the result of June 23rd, rather than on confirming it.
I agree with Jo here. When I speak to people, they seem to be a little sheepish about voting to leave, and some have admitted that they regretted it.
But I can't see us leaving anytime soon. It is complex, whatever some people say....you can't tear up trade agreements in 5 mins. But we will leave eventually, of that I have no doubt.
But I can't see us leaving anytime soon. It is complex, whatever some people say....you can't tear up trade agreements in 5 mins. But we will leave eventually, of that I have no doubt.
"...they seem to be a little sheepish about voting to leave, and some have admitted that they regretted it. "
But you haven't spoken to me or any of my mates, Mikey!
Of course leaving is a complex business - but not so complex that it cannot be handled. If we left tomorrow with no negotiations, life would go on, nobody would die, adjustments would be made and both we and the EU would continue to exist (though for quite how long the EU will exist is another argument). We could simply keep all the EU laws that have been subsumed into UK law and work our way through them either repealing them, modifying them or keeping them as best suits our needs. We would trade with the EU at worst on WTO terms (which would suit us more than the EU). Not an ideal scenario and not one that even I - as the most staunch of Brexiteers - would recommend. But to suggest we should not leave because it is too difficult is just silly.
But you haven't spoken to me or any of my mates, Mikey!
Of course leaving is a complex business - but not so complex that it cannot be handled. If we left tomorrow with no negotiations, life would go on, nobody would die, adjustments would be made and both we and the EU would continue to exist (though for quite how long the EU will exist is another argument). We could simply keep all the EU laws that have been subsumed into UK law and work our way through them either repealing them, modifying them or keeping them as best suits our needs. We would trade with the EU at worst on WTO terms (which would suit us more than the EU). Not an ideal scenario and not one that even I - as the most staunch of Brexiteers - would recommend. But to suggest we should not leave because it is too difficult is just silly.
NJ....well that would be down to our different sort of mates I suppose !
My mates are generally of a left-ish persuasion, and I am guessing that yours are mostly to be found on the other side NJ !
But you are right.....to quote the Scottish Play :::
"If it were done when ’tis done, then ’twere well
It were done quickly"
My mates are generally of a left-ish persuasion, and I am guessing that yours are mostly to be found on the other side NJ !
But you are right.....to quote the Scottish Play :::
"If it were done when ’tis done, then ’twere well
It were done quickly"
