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It Would Seem That The Proposed Junior Doctors Strike Is Politically Motivated.
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I don't usually comment on what I consider to be political matters, but I am constantly reminded of the 1980s when the miners' strike divided the country.
It does seem as though there is a hidden agenda here, and it is quite frightening to those of us who go about our lives quietly and non-confrontationally. I do hope it is resolved soon.
It does seem as though there is a hidden agenda here, and it is quite frightening to those of us who go about our lives quietly and non-confrontationally. I do hope it is resolved soon.
The BMA failed to represent the members' interests when they tried to agree to a deal that the members found unacceptable. Of course they are unkeen to admit that they screwed up. It isn't for the BMA to dictate to the members but to fight for their interests. Thus the question was mischievous and invalid.
I'm unsure strikes are a disproportionate response to an agreement being imposed.
It's too long an article to read in it's entirety but where I've reached it seems to have dropped into speculation and simply pointing to individuals the paper doesn't much care for.
I'm unsure strikes are a disproportionate response to an agreement being imposed.
It's too long an article to read in it's entirety but where I've reached it seems to have dropped into speculation and simply pointing to individuals the paper doesn't much care for.
/// Even with a public roll call, the vote to endorse strike action was far from a landslide. Indeed, only 16 of the 34 voting members of the BMA's Council supported the move. Another 11 opposed it, while seven were either absent, or abstained. ///
/// To this end, it should be noted that a secret BMA document leaked to the Mail earlier this week suggests that less than a third of junior doctors (31.5 per cent) support a 'time-limited full walk-out' of the sort the organisation now proposes to undertake. ///
/// The figure was obtained from a survey carried out in June. ///
/// 'On the face of this survey, the remaining 68.5 per cent of respondents would not be prepared to take part in that action,' reads the secret document, which goes on to admit that public support for junior doctors is falling while the BMA's 'member relations staff are reporting that they are not detecting the same appetite for industrial action among members [as] for previous phases of industrial action'. ///
/// Astonishingly, despite this finding, Ellen McCourt's JDC has decided not to actually ask junior doctors to vote on whether the imminent industrial action ought to go
ahead. ///
/// To this end, it should be noted that a secret BMA document leaked to the Mail earlier this week suggests that less than a third of junior doctors (31.5 per cent) support a 'time-limited full walk-out' of the sort the organisation now proposes to undertake. ///
/// The figure was obtained from a survey carried out in June. ///
/// 'On the face of this survey, the remaining 68.5 per cent of respondents would not be prepared to take part in that action,' reads the secret document, which goes on to admit that public support for junior doctors is falling while the BMA's 'member relations staff are reporting that they are not detecting the same appetite for industrial action among members [as] for previous phases of industrial action'. ///
/// Astonishingly, despite this finding, Ellen McCourt's JDC has decided not to actually ask junior doctors to vote on whether the imminent industrial action ought to go
ahead. ///
And you think imposing new contracts on Junior Doctors is not politically motivated? The Junior Doctors have a genuine grievance which is why 28,000 are striking.
The BMA balloted its Junior Doctors and 98% voted in favour a strike action (I notice the Mail failed to mention that ballot result). Are you (via the Mail) claiming that they are all Corbynistas? Of course they are not.
The Conservatives would like to divert the argument away from safe practice and doctors doing long hours. So they, along with the right wing press, are trying to paint the doctors as a load of trots. Only the extremely foolish would fall for such a preposterous lie.
The BMA balloted its Junior Doctors and 98% voted in favour a strike action (I notice the Mail failed to mention that ballot result). Are you (via the Mail) claiming that they are all Corbynistas? Of course they are not.
The Conservatives would like to divert the argument away from safe practice and doctors doing long hours. So they, along with the right wing press, are trying to paint the doctors as a load of trots. Only the extremely foolish would fall for such a preposterous lie.
//So they, along with the right wing press, are trying to paint the doctors as a load of trots.//
Wrong, just the ones who seem to have grasped the levers of power in the union. The trots call the shots?. They are promising to finish the work started by the miners. Laugh, I nearly did. I do remember though that someone once said that when it a kicked off, Scargill had a little house and a big union and when it was over he had a little union and a big house.
Wrong, just the ones who seem to have grasped the levers of power in the union. The trots call the shots?. They are promising to finish the work started by the miners. Laugh, I nearly did. I do remember though that someone once said that when it a kicked off, Scargill had a little house and a big union and when it was over he had a little union and a big house.
Not supporting is not the same as opposing.
For the BMA voting members themselves, ignore the 7 who didn't care one way or the other, 16/(16+11) = 59%. And they are supposed to be more willing to accept the offer than the membership.
Naturally as time goes on folk get fed up and some want to just end it. That's the nature of negotiations; finding out which side blinks first. One wonders whether enthusiasm on the government side is waning as well. But that is not investigated/reported on.
For the BMA voting members themselves, ignore the 7 who didn't care one way or the other, 16/(16+11) = 59%. And they are supposed to be more willing to accept the offer than the membership.
Naturally as time goes on folk get fed up and some want to just end it. That's the nature of negotiations; finding out which side blinks first. One wonders whether enthusiasm on the government side is waning as well. But that is not investigated/reported on.
"It Would Seem That The Proposed Junior Doctors Strike Is Politically Motivated"
No! I'm absolutely astonished!
Yes the imposition of new contracts is politically motivated because the NHS (or at least its funding) is controlled by politicians. And there's the rub of the whole problem. The NHS is used as a political football. It needs to be radically overhauled and as much of it as possible removed from State control. In its current form it will end up bankrupting the nation.
No! I'm absolutely astonished!
Yes the imposition of new contracts is politically motivated because the NHS (or at least its funding) is controlled by politicians. And there's the rub of the whole problem. The NHS is used as a political football. It needs to be radically overhauled and as much of it as possible removed from State control. In its current form it will end up bankrupting the nation.
Gromit
/// The BMA balloted its Junior Doctors and 98% voted in favour a strike action (I notice the Mail failed to mention that ballot result). ///
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/// The BMA balloted its Junior Doctors and 98% voted in favour a strike action (I notice the Mail failed to mention that ballot result). ///
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// Conclusion
98% of junior doctors who are members of the British Medical Association (BMA) and who voted in the ballot said they would be prepared to strike. Not all junior doctors are members of the BMA, and not all members voted. Taken as a proportion of all junior doctors (including some not affected by the changes), roughly 46-52% voted to strike. //
Are we not talking about the Strike by the BMA? Doctors who are not in the BMA will not be obliged to strike.
98% of junior doctors who are members of the British Medical Association (BMA) and who voted in the ballot said they would be prepared to strike. Not all junior doctors are members of the BMA, and not all members voted. Taken as a proportion of all junior doctors (including some not affected by the changes), roughly 46-52% voted to strike. //
Are we not talking about the Strike by the BMA? Doctors who are not in the BMA will not be obliged to strike.
Gromit
/// Are we not talking about the Strike by the BMA? Doctors who are not in the BMA will not be obliged to strike. ///
*** BMA's Junior Doctors Committee (JDC) is full of Labour Party members
Many are Jeremy Corbyn supporters and have links to Left-wing group ***
Then it would figure that the doctors who are members of such a left-wing organisation would tend to be left-wing themselves.
That is why it this strike is politically motivated.
/// Are we not talking about the Strike by the BMA? Doctors who are not in the BMA will not be obliged to strike. ///
*** BMA's Junior Doctors Committee (JDC) is full of Labour Party members
Many are Jeremy Corbyn supporters and have links to Left-wing group ***
Then it would figure that the doctors who are members of such a left-wing organisation would tend to be left-wing themselves.
That is why it this strike is politically motivated.
Nothing new about this either, union bosses never loose out.
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With all the propaganda we read, let us not lose sight of the facts. The Tories have promised the electorate 7 day & night cover. If one is in hospital already care does not stop at the week-end. What is happening is that staff are expected to work all hours because of shortages. Junior doctors & indeed all NHS staff are entitled to fair & reasonable hourly shifts. When I retired from work ( in printing industry) as far back as 1990 my hours were 35 weekly. I am horrified to discover that in 2016 staff in the NHS are expected to work very long hours for peanuts. Government get a grip, more NHS workers, better pay & let us for goodness sake raise our wonderful NHS to the heights it warrants & deserves.
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