Chant Of Allah Akbar From The Public Gallery As Choudary Sent Down

[-Talbot-]

Now there's a surprise.

5.5 Years ... he will soon be oit enjoying McDonalds.

[Mamyalynne]

Two hours for the first mention of polished stairs, is that a record?

[Bazile]

What's the legal position on his release ?

Can the Home secretary/legal system impose certain conditions for his release - e.g if he returns to espousing his rhetoric , then he can be instantly re- arrested and return to jail ; without going through another trial ?

[HansUrbancka]

Can the prosecution appeal against the leniency of the sentence?.

Hans.

[jno]

it can happen, Hans. But I've said on another thread that half the maximum sentence for a first offence, and a new crime at that, seems about normal; early release would be too.

[-Talbot-]

@ Bazile
Both men were also sentenced to a notification order lasting 15 years, which requires them to tell police if details such as their address change.

[Khandro]

Do civil laws still apply to prison inmates? Is preaching hate and support for a terrorist organisation inside a prison still an offence?

[mikey4444]

New Judge....out of interest, what was the maximum sentence he could have had for his offence ?

[-Talbot-]

I thought it was out here that it could be ten ... I could of course be wrong.

[agchristie]

Ten years was given on the link.

[Peter Pedant]

// In "the good old days" occasionally a prisoner would fall down the stairs or out of a window, with a very unfortunate result. Sometimes, the old ways were best.// diveb

that the men were, in Paddy Hill's words, "tortured and framed" on arrest, beaten, subjected to mock executions, threatened with being thrown from a high building or a car on the motorway, and burnt with cigarettes; that their torturers were the infamous West Midlands serious crime squad, [Gareth Peirce pinko leftie lawyer]

O the good old days
h
the framing of non terrorists for terrorist offences for 15 y
how I miss them ( and the west mids serious crime squad ]
and the perjury that must have gone with it

O bring them all back ! the good old days were the best !

[Peter Pedant]

like you diveb
I remember and revere the good old days !

todays sentencing remarks on Anjem C here
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/r-v-choudary-sentencing.pdf

[Peter Pedant]

my point is that we both agree that prisoners were abused and confessions were beaten out of them in the seventies

that you clap your hands and say more please ! even tho we now know they didnt do it

and I er disapprove

that you were in a position to do something about it then ( as you obviously knew it occurred but approved )
and I was not and didnt believe anyway that people in charge - your colleagues, divebuddy - were doing it

so really as you can see
we agree on quite a lot

the final point is on sentencing remarks
max is ten y in answer to mikeys question
and it cant be made indeterminate as the legislation doesnt allow it
( and as you know Diveb judges have to er abide by the law )


I suppose my point can be summed up as
there is enough gratuitous violence in prison without the warders joining in

[TTG]

Unsure of how much free money a hate preacher receives in the UK but this could save the tax payer at least £100,000. Unless his family receives it. Yes, it is annoyed sarcasm but probably true.

[-SharonA-]

Why are these extremists not deported to Syria?!? They come here, never worked, living of the social and still this country is not good enough for them!

[HansUrbancka]

Perhaps New Judge will tell us if Treason is still an offence in the UK and those who commit such a crime against the state can be subjected to Hanging.

I am thinking that, if such is the case, the treason act should be used for terrorist offences.

Hans.

[-Talbot-]

Chowder is British born. He wanted to go to Syria though and I would grant him his wish when he gets out.

[ummmm]

Because he was born in the UK, Sharon...