The Result Of Too Much Right-On Liberalism?

[youngmafbog]

The loud mouthed self righteous Metropolitan 'elite' have for too long been able to inflict their minority views on the much larger populous, blasting those that disagree as Racists, Little Englanders and a host of other demeaning insults. Now across Europe we are seeing a worrying rise of the far right (and left).

Is it about time we put the right-on brigade in their place and put policies in place that reflect the views of the majority not a minority? OK, it means removing the Liberal 'elite' from the Police, Civil Service, Judiciary, the BBC and other such institutions and replacing them proportionality with people that represent the masses but surely that is preferable to the alternative?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3796243/Neo-Nazi-gang-use-slogan-Hitler-right-set-whites-food-bank-streets-Glasgow.html

[sp1814]

Ummm...what???

Seriously - what the hell?

[ichkeria]

I am not sure how your 'question' computes to the link, which shows the far right misbehaving, not the 'right on' elements whoever they might be
Unless you mean that by indulging in some sort of nazi-style purge you'll stop the nazis
That seems faintly, well actually, boldly, potty. After all, voting the leave the EU didn't pavify the racists: in fact rather the opposite it seems ...

[jackthehat]

People with *your* views = good.
People with *other* views = bad.

I think that's the start of a dangerously slippery slope towards some sort of totalitarian state which you would see eat into your own cherished freedoms, too.

[youngmafbog]

My point, as I suspect you all know, is that continual right-on liberalism that does not reflect the majority leads to people moving to extreme parties. My link is yet another example of the far right being emboldened on the streets.

What I am trying to say is that the minority liberals should be put back in their box and the pubic bodies mentioned made up of people that will represent the views of the majority, thus removing the need for anyone to eel they have to go to an extreme party.

[ichkeria]

What evidence do you have that 'liberals' are in the minority, for a start?

I can't remember who it was who said that the slippery slope to the end of democracy starts when a self declared 'majority' decide they are the oppressed ones. Whether it's neo Nazi food banks or talk of a purge of 'liberals' it amounts to the same thing

[ichkeria]

Jackthehat said it of course, I see, wise chap, but that's not who I was thinking of :-)

[jim360]

I'm just trying to decide if "pubic bodies" was a typo or not.

[ToraToraTora]

I think YMB, the Liberal Elite have recently been shocked to find out that the majority of the country are in fact, "off message", must have been very disturbing.

[mikey4444]

YMG....not sure if you are supporting an organisation that has a slogan that says "Hitler was right" or condemning them ?

You seem to be implying that all those that hold "right-on liberals"
(whatever that means) are wrong but those that give grudging support to a food bank that will only serve whites-only and has Nazi sympathies are right.

If only things were that simple YMB !

[andy-hughes]

I am similarly confused by your OP and your link - which don't appear to relate to each other.

If you think that the result of two much 'right-on liberalism' is an upsurge in right wing numpties dressing up and making lots of noise, then I think you are mistaken.

That level of idiocy is part of the price we pay for a free society, and the notion that 'liberalism' is a bad thing is frankly not sustainable - which may be why you have failed to attempt to sustain it as a point, but have just had a little rant about your particular bugbear.

You might want to spare a thought for the 'right-on liberalism' that gives us a platform like this - you can be sure the fascists would have such free expression stamped out pronto were they ever in a position so to do.

[sp1814]

This is all a series of soundbites.

Whenever I hear the words 'liberal elite' or 'metropolitan elite', I know that whoever is writing is talking in abstracts.

Sure, there's a liberal metropolitan elite, but what those whose politics veer to the right don't get is that most people are liberal. We're getting more and more liberal as we grow and mature as a nation.

Think about it this way - are we more conservative (as a nation) than we were in the past, or are we now more liberal?

Oh, and being loud mouthed and self righteous are surely adjectives that also describe the right, as well as those of us who consider ourselves liberals?

And this bit:

the Liberal 'elite' from the Police, Civil Service, Judiciary, the BBC and other such institutions

Yeah...absolutely. The government should implement a plan to interview everyone who works for these organisations to determine their political and social views, and replace them (proportionally) with people who represent 'the masses'.

What could possibly go wrong with that.

Bizarre.

[mikey4444]

Andy has a good point here. The first thing the Nazis did when they seized power in the 30's, was to stop all free speech. They then went on to murder all those who didn't keep quiet.

I know what side I am on.

[sp1814]

And another thing - if the rise of these right wing groups is indeed a reaction to 'right on liberalism', how do you explain the popularity of the National Front, who likewise were enamoured of Hitler, back in the 70s - years before the right on PC brigade were formed?

Is it not more accurate to say that these losers have always been amongst us in one form or other?

[youngmafbog]

Mickey

//Now across Europe we are seeing a worrying rise of the far right (and left).
//

So what side do you really think I am on.

My point is that liberalism pushes people to the extreme as a knee jerk reaction. It's not rocket science.

[youngmafbog]

A reaction the left wing SP. As you well know.

[ToraToraTora]

"Andy has a good point here. The first thing the Nazis did when they seized power in the 30's, was to stop all free speech" : bit like the liberal elite these days mikey?

[sp1814]

youngmafbog

Nope...liberalism does not push people to the extreme.

That's an excuse.

Specific political and social concerns push people into extremism - not liberalism.

You will find that people who join the EDL, UAF or Pergida are not part of the mainstream. They don't represent the average man or woman in the street. In the UK at least, we have rejected extremism - both main parties realise that the key fight for votes is in the centre ground, not the far right or left.

This is a lesson that Jeremy Corbyn will learn at the next elections.

Fact is - most people are not extremists. Social attitude surveys over the past 20 years prove this.

http://natcen.ac.uk/our-research/research/british-social-attitudes/

[sp1814]

A reaction the left wing SP. As you well know.

Okay...I'm going to have to decode that.

Are you saying that the rise of the Far Right is a reaction against the Left now?

Because you began by talking about liberalism.

The 'left' and the 'libertarians' are not interchangeable. They are not the same at all.

You will get social libertarians in left wing and centre right parties. And like I say - most people now would class themselves as liberals, without meaning that they are 'left wing'.

I think we need to understand exactly who you're talking about, because at the moment - it's muddled.

[mikey4444]

"My point is that liberalism pushes people to the extreme as a knee jerk reaction"

This only happens to the usual suspects.....like Britain First, the BNP, etc, etc, who fill their membership lists with thugs, football hooligans and people like these Muppets ::::

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M

[mikey4444]

Here is some more !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM7AkDKD4d8