Yet One More Reason Why We Should Keep Such Savages As These From Our Shores.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/713196/Ibiza-horror-dad-twin-sons-stabbed-robbed-Senegalese-thugs?utm_source=traffic.outbrain&;utm_medium=traffic.outbrain&utm_term=traffic.outbrain&utm_content=traffic.outbrain&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, could it be that it is more reasonable to list the actions which contravene the rules rather than those which do not? It is a principal that something is permitted unless expressly restricted or forbidden.

[THECORBYLOON]

That should be "principle"...

[Gromit]

A British family were the victim of a crime while in Spain.
The attackers were Senegalese.
There isn't really much immigration from Senegal to the UK.
We obviously don't want criminals from anywhere to move here.
But we do want people with skills we can profit from, including non criminal Senegalese workers.

So it is not a good reason to bar ALL immigration from Senegal on the basis of one criminal act on an holidaying family.

[sp1814]

AOG

It's not a well-educated guess.

It's a guess, full stop.

These men might be migrants. They might be tourists. They might be vacuum salesmen on a jolly.

Right now it's a Schrödinger's cat situation.

[sp1814]

And if some supporters of these thugs, wish to report my thread for containing 'racist' issues then as always please feel free

That statement could be construed as idiotic, because nowhere on this thread has anyone actually indicated support of these men.

Right now, all we're going on is the statement of one of the men involved in the brawl. For all we know he could be lying through his front teeth. It's possible that no jewellery was stolen and he's trying to pull a fast one for insurance.

It doesn't make sense to jump to conclusions before we get to hear if not *all* the facts, but at least some more - in order to reach a more considered response.

Right now, if 'Jumping To Conclusions' were an Olympic event, arguably you could have secured us first place at Rio, above the U.S. team.

[andy-hughes]

birdie - //You're arguing with a person (andy-hughes) who thinks that because a tiny minority of ancestrally indigenous people of the UK are horrible, murderous scumbags, that means we have absolutely no right to object to the importation of foreign, horrible, murderous scumbags. //

Actually, I don’t think that at all, which is a very good reason why I did not say that, or anything close to it!

My point was that there is no way of determining which immigrants are going to turn out to be doctors and professors, and which are going to be thieves and murderers.

In no way does that even approach the notion that we have no right to object to the importation (actually its immigration, but let’s not get pedantic about grammar) of anyone at all.

//Andy's reasoning is weapons-grade stupidity. //

The reasoning may be ‘weapons-grade stupidity’, but since it is your interpretation of something you wish I had said, rather than what I actually said, I cannot claim ownership of it.

Since it is your reasoning, does that mean the accusation of stupidity should more accurately be aimed at you?

[Mamyalynne]

SP @ 15.38 - glad someone else found that quote unnecessary and unhelpful.

[naomi24]

sp, //How do you know the men involved in the brawl were migrants?//

From the link:

//Police arrested two Senegalese nationals//

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //And if some supporters of these thugs, wish to report my thread for containing 'racist' issues then as always please feel free, to report me for breaking Site Rules, you never know you might even get me suspended or even banned from this site, I am sure that would take a load of your minds, until of course until someone else came along and dared to express views that are totally alien to your own liberal minded views on matters. //

True to form AOG, you are interpreting someone – the first instance being me – who argues the logic of your point, as being tantamount to supporting thuggery. I certainly never stated any such support, and you and I know that no-one else has either.

So your bluster about being a lone voice of reason fighting against being shut down for your views by a gang of lentil-steamers is, as always, well wide of the mark.

If you have something to say that addresses the points made, and not your thin-skinned notion that people want you banned, then we can have a meaningful discussion.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //My point was that there is no way of determining which immigrants are going to turn out to be doctors and professors, and which are going to be thieves and murderers. //

Precisely why incomers should be vetted.

[hc4361]

A doctor could turn out to be a Dr Shipman type. Being a professional does not make a saint, nor does being a labourer make a monster.

[naomi24]

hc4361, //A doctor could turn out to be a Dr Shipman type. Being a professional does not make a saint, nor does being a labourer make a monster. //

Oh well, that's a good enough reason to let everyone in unchecked then.

[sp1814]

naomi24

Oh for goodness sake.

To quote you earlier - you are not that stupid. The men arrested may be holidaymakers from Senegal. That's all we know.

[sp1814]

divebuddy

'Oh the irony'.

Indeed.

[naomi24]

sp, //The men arrested may be holidaymakers from Senegal.//

Come on!! Get real!!

[sp1814]

naomi24

Tell me more.

What have you gleaned from the story as reported.

Bear in mind, that the details are pretty sketchy at the moment.

[sp1814]

Also, I am not convinced that AOG's position about keeping 'such savages' from our shores makes sense in the context of this story.

Sounds like he might have been exposed to a bit of 'confirmation bias'.

[Gromit]

It doesn't matter one jott if the Senegalese attackers were migrants or holidaymakers.
- it does not make the case for barring all Senegalese people from the UK.
- it makes the case for barring criminals, but how can you test if someone will break the law in the future.
- even if you vet people, that is no guarantee that they will forever behave themselves.
- that is true for someone from Africa, as it is for someone from Europe or the US.
- barring residents from a country because other people have committed a crime somewhere else in the world, make no sense.

[naomi24]

SP, //What have you gleaned from the story as reported.//

I have gleaned that these people are undesirables. Why would we want them here?

Gromit, // it does not make the case for barring all Senegalese people from the UK.//

Who suggested that?