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In my humble opinion, we are seeing the imploding of Mr Donald Trump here.
When he attacks his own Party, for not supporting him, we know the end is nigh !
In my humble opinion, we are seeing the imploding of Mr Donald Trump here.
When he attacks his own Party, for not supporting him, we know the end is nigh !
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Trump has now been effectively dropped by his party , the Republicans are no longer campaigning for him. He is to all intents and purposes an Independent. However this has not stopped his supporters who would support him even if he represented the monster raving looney/green chicken alliance party. ( he would be better suited to them anyway) The main concern...
07:54 Wed 12th Oct 2016
This is getting very interesting. In the event that he wins in November and there are Republican Senate and Congress, would he be able to count on their support to push through some of his controversial legislation, as they seem to be distancing themselves from him? There's a long list of Republicans who have withdrawn support though they are probably looking to 2020 and their chances then.
changing the subject is a well-tried gambit for those who think their argument is being lost.
The Republicans are not really Trump's own party (I think he was a Democrat last time he entered politics). He, and the Tea Party wing, are more like the old Militant Tendency, infiltrating a mainstream party to promote minority hardline views. So with Trump's campaign rather battered, other Republicans have decided they don't want to go down with him - they stand to lose control of Congress if voters think they'e all loose cannons like him. Ryan, being the highest-ranking Republican, simultaneously doesn't want to repudiate him but doesn't want to be seen anywhere near him either.
This might work: they've got the best part of a month still to assert their independence of their presidential candidate.
The Republicans are not really Trump's own party (I think he was a Democrat last time he entered politics). He, and the Tea Party wing, are more like the old Militant Tendency, infiltrating a mainstream party to promote minority hardline views. So with Trump's campaign rather battered, other Republicans have decided they don't want to go down with him - they stand to lose control of Congress if voters think they'e all loose cannons like him. Ryan, being the highest-ranking Republican, simultaneously doesn't want to repudiate him but doesn't want to be seen anywhere near him either.
This might work: they've got the best part of a month still to assert their independence of their presidential candidate.
Actually I think the similarities with Corbyn -- not at a policy level, obviously -- are quite severe, and Mikey and Labour would be well advised to pay attention to those.
As for whether the Republican Party will implode or not, no idea. But it has done itself no favours, and when Trump loses will have to understand why he won (easy: it's too divided a party) and how to fix that (not so easy), if it's ever to hope to return to the White house soon.
The fate of the Tory party is less precarious, for now, but there's still three years or so to destroy themselves over Brexit-related divisions. Leadsom's early withdrawal avoiding a protracted leadership contest may have just been a sticking plaster over the divisions, rather than actually a fix for them. But then again the Tory party is generally able to work through its divisions more stably than some other UK Political parties that we could care to mention. But I won't labour the point (ho ho).
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This particular debate is nasty. I really would love it to show up yet another flaw in Trump's putative leadership campaign, namely that he is obviously not a capable leader. Too punitive of dissent, too intolerant of any differing opinion, and too quick to lash out in anger and bile at any sign of criticism -- not to mention outright lies along the way. This is no leader of men.
As for whether the Republican Party will implode or not, no idea. But it has done itself no favours, and when Trump loses will have to understand why he won (easy: it's too divided a party) and how to fix that (not so easy), if it's ever to hope to return to the White house soon.
The fate of the Tory party is less precarious, for now, but there's still three years or so to destroy themselves over Brexit-related divisions. Leadsom's early withdrawal avoiding a protracted leadership contest may have just been a sticking plaster over the divisions, rather than actually a fix for them. But then again the Tory party is generally able to work through its divisions more stably than some other UK Political parties that we could care to mention. But I won't labour the point (ho ho).
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This particular debate is nasty. I really would love it to show up yet another flaw in Trump's putative leadership campaign, namely that he is obviously not a capable leader. Too punitive of dissent, too intolerant of any differing opinion, and too quick to lash out in anger and bile at any sign of criticism -- not to mention outright lies along the way. This is no leader of men.
anneasquith. //The last 3 replies are in no way connected to this thread !!!!//
I’m not sure when you were charged with keeping threads on track, but I beg to differ. Mikey’s predictions of people in politics or political parties imploding, although usually wrong, have become legendary. It is ok for me to question whether or not this one is wrong too – isn’t it? Or are you not qualified to say? Personally, I think any divisions in the party have surfaced far too late. It has no option but to go with Trump – but whether or not he implodes remains to be seen. America is facing a pretty impossible choice – in my opinion.
I’m not sure when you were charged with keeping threads on track, but I beg to differ. Mikey’s predictions of people in politics or political parties imploding, although usually wrong, have become legendary. It is ok for me to question whether or not this one is wrong too – isn’t it? Or are you not qualified to say? Personally, I think any divisions in the party have surfaced far too late. It has no option but to go with Trump – but whether or not he implodes remains to be seen. America is facing a pretty impossible choice – in my opinion.
Jeremy Corbyn (Labour) is 17 percentage points behind in the latest opinion poll.
That shows the current disconnect between Labour and most of the electorate
Donald Trump has never been popular with the Republican party, but HAS been popular with a large percentage of the electorate. That is the difference.
However, the result is likely to be the same.
The problems for the Republican party are likely to be less severe than for Labour, as Trump will disappear back into his world after the election, and they can re-invent themselves. Labour could also do that, but it seems far more problematic.
I agree with Jim that serious issues with the Tories are likely to emerge too.
That shows the current disconnect between Labour and most of the electorate
Donald Trump has never been popular with the Republican party, but HAS been popular with a large percentage of the electorate. That is the difference.
However, the result is likely to be the same.
The problems for the Republican party are likely to be less severe than for Labour, as Trump will disappear back into his world after the election, and they can re-invent themselves. Labour could also do that, but it seems far more problematic.
I agree with Jim that serious issues with the Tories are likely to emerge too.
How can comparisons with Labour, UKIP (and the Tories to a degree) not be relevant?
This is all about people who are fighting the Establishment and saying things the electorate want to hear but the politicians in their cosy world dont want to hear.
Acros the West the worm is turning, America is no different. Whether Trump wins or not remains to be seen but I am not sure polls can be relied upon any more in the same way that biased media reporting cannot be relied on.
In the secrecy of the ballot box that X may well go in a box that they the voter would not tell anyone. Again I suspect Mr Corbyn could tell us a thing about that RE Brexit vote.
This is all about people who are fighting the Establishment and saying things the electorate want to hear but the politicians in their cosy world dont want to hear.
Acros the West the worm is turning, America is no different. Whether Trump wins or not remains to be seen but I am not sure polls can be relied upon any more in the same way that biased media reporting cannot be relied on.
In the secrecy of the ballot box that X may well go in a box that they the voter would not tell anyone. Again I suspect Mr Corbyn could tell us a thing about that RE Brexit vote.
ichkeria , //I agree with Jim that serious issues with the Tories are likely to emerge too.//
I’m not sure about that. Mrs May has said that before triggering Brexit there will be a debate, but she has made no commitment on whether to allow formal vote on Article 50 exit clause – and I think she’s right. She has said that ‘Brexit means Brexit’ and ‘Remainers’ are unlikely to vote in favour of the fundamental issues upon which the majority of the electorate voted to leave. Hopefully she will do what needs to be done.
But we digress..... oops! :o)
I’m not sure about that. Mrs May has said that before triggering Brexit there will be a debate, but she has made no commitment on whether to allow formal vote on Article 50 exit clause – and I think she’s right. She has said that ‘Brexit means Brexit’ and ‘Remainers’ are unlikely to vote in favour of the fundamental issues upon which the majority of the electorate voted to leave. Hopefully she will do what needs to be done.
But we digress..... oops! :o)
anneasquith...you are quite right....people have a tendency to change the subject, when they realise that they nothing else to say on the original thread.
Comparisons with British politics only go so far, and that isn't very far at all. My predictions regarding UKIP were bang on, although, to be honest, it certainly didn't take a genius to predict that the Parties demise, as UKIP has never, ever been organised and united in its entire history.
But to get back to my point about Trump. As each day goes by, he loses more and more of his support in the Republican Party. He may very well have been a Democrat in previous year, but that is irrelevant now. The Party have chosen him, rather than any of the other possible candidates that were available, and now they are stuck with that mistake.
In short, the Party is up **** creak without a paddle.....and its all their own fault.
Comparisons with British politics only go so far, and that isn't very far at all. My predictions regarding UKIP were bang on, although, to be honest, it certainly didn't take a genius to predict that the Parties demise, as UKIP has never, ever been organised and united in its entire history.
But to get back to my point about Trump. As each day goes by, he loses more and more of his support in the Republican Party. He may very well have been a Democrat in previous year, but that is irrelevant now. The Party have chosen him, rather than any of the other possible candidates that were available, and now they are stuck with that mistake.
In short, the Party is up **** creak without a paddle.....and its all their own fault.
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