Donald's Accusers Are Liars

[Bazile]

Well , she should know the man , shouldn't she ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37685909

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //I'm waiting patiently for Dolly Kyle to be given the same airtime to balance things up.. //

It wouldn't balance things up.

Trump is a candidate - President Clinton is not.

If there is someone who wants to come forward and accuse Hilary Clinton of molesting them, then they should be given airtime - that would balance things up.

[jim360]

For the benefit of those who didn't get the joke about Barack Obama... in a speech at the Republican conference Melania Trump gave a glowing endorsement of her husband and the journey the had together. Trouble was it turned out to be heavily plagiarised from a speech Michelle Obama had given eight years earlier. Eventually the Trump campaign acknowledged this.

As for Naomi laughing at the irony of my post in another thread... would she care to read further down in the same thread to see the point I was making? If not, I'll make it again for her benefit: I don't have a problem with people digging into Clinton's past. The Trump campaign, however, has a history of digging into her past and claiming that stuff she said ten, 20, even 30 years ago is relevant while denying that the same is true for remarks in Trump's past. The double standards therefore apply to *them*, not me.

I don't have any intention of stopping people talking about Clinton's past, nor do I deny that it's relevant and worth asking questions about.

[EDDIE51]

I am making a prediction here. Trump will lose but refuse to accept the result, claim it was rigged and demand a rerun!
I really hope I'm wrong but I have a feeling I will be correct.

[jno]

Talbot, does Kyle claim to have been molested by a current presidential candidate? If not, she can be filed with Sally Heming.

[naomi24]

Jim, //The double standards therefore apply to *them*, not me. //

I beg to differ. You make great efforts to broadcast details of Trump's perceived misdemeanours, regardless of the accuracy of your broadcasts. I've yet to see you treat Clinton similarly.

[-Talbot-]

jno
Talbot, does Kyle claim to have been molested by a current presidential candidate? If not, she can be filed with Sally Heming.



She claims lots of stuff but it's about the Clinton's so I guess we will just file it under


Meh!

[mikey4444]

Well, she is hardly going to say very much about her husband is she !

As Ummm has said, he can't deny that he didn't say the words, nor does he attempt to.

But I for one are not prepared to believe that it was just "boy talk".....the man is an ignorant boor, and what he said is true to form. It fits in very nicely with all the other nasty, ignorant utterances that he has made this year.

And, if all the Polls are to be believed it has now come back to bite him in the ***.

[-Talbot-]

I missed andy'y post




Trump is a candidate - President Clinton is not.



eh?
What are you talking about?

[ummmm]

Good, I hope so Mikey.

[jim360]

For the moment, at least, I am fairly convinced that I have said nothing about Trump that is inaccurate. If they are true I have said so; if there is doubt I have acknowledged that such doubt exists; if there *are*, after all, anything that is known to be a lie about him, I will acknowledge that too and apologise.

In the meantime, I will continue to criticise Trump as much as I like without reference to your own opinion on the subject. I don't like Clinton much -- I think she'll likely go down as an ineffective president -- but I believe Trump to be dangerous in a way that is basically off the scale, and so utterly unfit to hold the office that Clinton's own flaws pale into insignificance next to his.

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //I missed andy'y post




Trump is a candidate - President Clinton is not.



eh?
What are you talking about?

I am talking about ex-President Clinton not being a candidate - all ex-Presidents are still referred to as President in formal address.

Hope that has cleared up any misunderstanding.

[-Talbot-]

Who says former presidents are still referred to as President in formal address?

[joggerjayne]

Former monarchs are still referred to as their Majesty (so the Queen Mother remained Her Majesty until she died) ... so maybe the same principle should apply.

[-Talbot-]

Why?

[Fitzer]

Former presidents were never referred to as President once out of office, a precedent set by Washington who reverted to General, however it does seem to have crept in over the last couple of decades and there are various arguments as to why it shouldn't be used but once the media gets hold of anything it tends to stick. There can only be one president at any one time therefore calling anyone else President so and so must be incorrect, ex-president or former president would be correct and in fact the US has the Former Presidents Act which governs how much they are paid once they have left office and what security they and their families will receive.

[jno]

an etiquette expert writes:

All U.S. presidents retain their title for life, so all former presidents are referred to as Mr. President or President [last name].

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-mirza-grotts/forms-of-address-how-to-a_b_2390778.html

It's quite true, they still talk of President Carter and have to distinguish between two Presidents Bush, or maybe it's two President Bushes, I'd have to ask an etiquette expert.

[-Talbot-]

another etiquette expert writes:



"Serving as President of the United States does not grant one the personal rank of 'President' for life. The office of President is a one-person-at-a-time role that a specific individual holds and then hands off to the next person."

[anneasquith]

Then ex presidents get a salary ?

[-Talbot-]

A pension

[naomi24]

Jim, I presume your post at 19:40 was to me. Mine at 19:00 stands.