Is Britain's Government Destroying Its Own Military To Appease Its Enemies?

[Khandro]

Elements of the British establishment in Whitehall think their own soldiers are "bad," and terrorists are "freedom fighters," according to General Lord Richards, former Chief of the Defence Staff and the UK's most senior military officer.

Over several years these ministers, permanent secretaries, generals, admirals and air marshals have been swept aside in pursuit of a corrosive drive to discredit our troops. It is the first time in history that any government has turned on its own armed forces in such a way.

The overwhelming majority are motivated by a combination of greed and anti-British vindictiveness by the Iraqi and Afghan accusers and by their British lawyers, using taxpayers' money.

This can only further undermine our national will to engage in future conflict in defence of our people or to support our allies, including the US, thus weakening the Western world. That of course, is the main objective of the politically driven lawyers and others involved in hounding our troops.

We can be sure that their motive for favouring enemy "freedom fighters" over our own forces is a desire to appease radical Muslims both at home and abroad, which infects so much of Europe's political elite and mainstream media.

It is vital for our country and the world that the Prime Minister ends this cowardly and dangerous cult of appeasement stands up for our Western Judeo-Christian values above all others and defends our soldiers with as much courage as they show in defending us. To achieve this, it is vital that the conspirators General Richards has named are identified and purged from power and influence.

Richard Kemp

[youngmafbog]

All the fault of the trendy liberal left Islingtoners.

[andy-hughes]

I had to Google Richard Kemp to find out who he is.

Given his invective, it is not surprising to find that he is a retired army officer, and therefore has a vested interest in the points he is making being seen as true.

But what they are is opinions - and we've all got those.

Having opinions does not make them into a facts.

[Gromit]

Presumably he is retired because he is bonkers?

Most of the population turned against our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. By admitting we did not win our objectives (assuming we knew what they were) is not appeasing the enemy.
Tony Blair and the military top brass who backed him are the real enemies of this country.

[youngmafbog]

Except of course he was probably in a position to see it first hand.

I doubt you have been. Correct me if I am wrong and you are Brigadier Hughes!

[youngmafbog]

//Presumably he is retired because he is bonkers//

You dont agree so you resort to name calling. What a surprise for a liberal leftie like you that has just been exposed by him.

[Gromit]

Ymb,
Are you proud of our Iraq mission. Can you list its achievements?

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //But what they are is opinions - and we've all got those. //

Given that he's a retired army officer - and a very senior one at that - his is very clearly an informed opinion - and we don’t all have those.

[Gromit]

Ymb,
I was exposed as being opposed to the Iraq war long ago. Before it even began in fact.

[andy-hughes]

youngmafbog - //Except of course he was probably in a position to see it first hand.

I doubt you have been. Correct me if I am wrong and you are Brigadier Hughes! //

If first hand experience is a requirement for expressing a view on here, then I must obviously step aside from commenting on the army.

And I am sure you will join me YMB in refraining from further observations about left wingers ... Muslims ... dole scroungers ... immigrants ... the list goes on, but I'm sure you get the point.

[youngmafbog]

No I am not and as a regular contributor on here you know that.

Still no need to name calling.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - //andy-hughes, //But what they are is opinions - and we've all got those. //

Given that he's a retired army officer - and a very senior one at that - his is very clearly an informed opinion - and we don’t all have those. //

That makes his opinion more informed - it does not make what he says correct.

[youngmafbog]

AH, I refer you to Naomi's post above. That is exactly my point.

[andy-hughes]

YMB - //No I am not and as a regular contributor on here you know that.

Still no need to name calling. //

You refer to me as 'Brigadier Hughes' and then say something about name calling?????

Where have I called you a name?

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //That makes his opinion more informed - it does not make what he says correct. //

I'd hazard a guess that he knows more about it than either of us.

[andy-hughes]

YMB - //AH, I refer you to Naomi's post above. That is exactly my point. //

I refer you to my post responding to Naomi .

That's exactly my point.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - //andy-hughes, //That makes his opinion more informed - it does not make what he says correct. //

I'd hazard a guess that he knows more about it than either of us. //

I would entilrey agree - but that is not the point made.

I am not disputing that his opinion is informed, obviously it is - I merely point out the simple fact that veracity is not automatically linked to the knowledge behind the view point.

If the late Patrick Moore had said that the moon is made of green cheese, you would be right in saying that his opinion is seriously informed, - but that does not mean that what he said was correct.

[Gromit]

Naomi/ymb,

Of course Tony Blair who took us into those disastrous wars was in position of power and experience. Are we to assume that his opinion has to be more accepted because of his experience?

Of course not. We can reject any opinion from Brigadeers, Prime Ministers, journalists, when they are clearly wrong.

He seems to be accusing the Prime Minister, and the Conservative Governments over the last six years, of favouring our enemy. That is quite plainly absurd.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //If the late Patrick Moore had said that the moon is made of green cheese, you would be right in saying that his opinion is seriously informed, - but that does not mean that what he said was correct. //

But he didn't say that - and he wouldn't have said that. You seem to struggle with the reality that some people know more about some things than you do. He certainly knows more about it than me. I don't have a problem with that.

[andy-hughes]

Gromit - //Naomi/ymb,

Of course Tony Blair who took us into those disastrous wars was in position of power and experience. Are we to assume that his opinion has to be more accepted because of his experience?

Of course not. We can reject any opinion from Brigadeers, Prime Ministers, journalists, when they are clearly wrong.

He seems to be accusing the Prime Minister, and the Conservative Governments over the last six years, of favouring our enemy. That is quite plainly absurd. //

Indeed.

The notion that you blindly accept an opinion piece by an ex-office simply because he is an ex-officer is patently absurd.

I do hope that those who are actually in charge of the armed forces are more willing to cast around for a consensus, and not just take the view of the first man with pips who sits down in front of a computer to get something off his chest.

[naomi24]

Gromit, //Of course Tony Blair who took us into those disastrous wars was in position of power and experience. Are we to assume that his opinion has to be more accepted because of his experience? //

Tony Blair had no experience of warfare.